Stephanie Exactly! There will just be the potential for many more of this type of operational process issues to occur and thus we will need to watch and see what areas of DNS services and protocol technologies to push the IETF to change/improve since the type of personal networking that helps with day-to-day operations today wont be as usable/workable as the number of TLDs and IDN-TLDs grow. Take care Terry From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:42 AM To: Terry L Davis, P.E.; 'GNSO Council' Subject: Re: [council] TLD Operational concerns -- A Perfect example... Hi Terry, I dont see any example of fundamental operational difficulties linked with TLDs in the example your describe. All I see is a mismanaged domain name transfer from one registrar to another... Stéphane Le 27/04/09 18:28, « Terry L Davis, P.E. » <tdavis2@speakeasy.net> a écrit : All Earlier this year some of you all wondered what my operational concerns were with simultaneous starting of the new TLD and IDNs. This is just too perfect an example not to share! If you try, to bring up www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org> right now. Some of you all will get cannot find web server! I was on a call with ISOC this morning on some other issues. At the end of the call, I asked them why their website was down. It wasnt actually down and using the IP address instead of the URL, it worked fine (which wont even be doable by anyone other than a network engineer in IPv6). But it didnt resolve on at least AT&T and Comcast from Seattle. They just emailed back with the cause. They switched registrars today and had only a partial transfer occur to the TLDs. TLD operations up to now have as much been networked via personal contacts as by technology since there were only a dozen or so TLD operators globally. Our technology will need to significantly improve to insure coordination and security between what will be a growing number of TLD and IDN-TLD operators; and IDN alone adds tremendously to the DNS technical complexity. Anyway good food for discussions over a late night drink in Sydney. Take care Terry