I don’t see this as micromanaging. We have delegated tasks. We have given the EPDP team a charter with the outcomes it should be seeking to achieve, and the autonomy to do just that. But we do need to check-in from time to time to make sure everything is on track. And the Council might need to ‘crack the whip’ if it becomes apparent that the driver has gone off-road. I am not asking for a lengthy weekly report; I am just asking for a brief one or two pager with only pertinent information (and not the message that the Council may want to communicate to external audiences, implying everything is swell) that will allow us to check-in and perform our oversight function. Thanks, Ayden
On 4 Sep 2018, at 00:28, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Ayden
Our role as Council is to manage policy, but a good manager delegates. What you want sounds akin to micromanaging it, which is not our role.
Regards
Michele
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On 3 Sep 2018, at 22:26, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> wrote:
Hi Michele,
I would like the update to actually reflect what topics the EPDP team is spending the bulk of its meetings discussing, and to highlight where there are challenges moving forward. It should also highlight where the Charter is unclear, or when documents are being provided with insufficient time for team members to review them. This is what I think the Council needs to be made aware of.
This is a good supplementary report, but as we deliberate on PDP 3.0 and think about how we can improve that, being able to see what works and what isn’t working in the EPDP might offer us some lessons to repeat or not repeat.
I also think the report should explore how much progress has been made towards answering the questions that are outlined in the mission and scope of the EPDP's Charter.
Best wishes,
Ayden
On 3 Sep 2018, at 23:09, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Ayden
If there’s something fundamentally going wrong within the ePDP both you and other members of the WG can surely signal it?
I’m not at all clear as to what kind of update you expect to be provided, especially as quite a few of us are tracking its work quite closely already
Regards
Michele
Mr Michele Neylon
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On 3 Sep 2018, at 19:53, Ayden Férdeline <icann@ferdeline.com> wrote:
I am reluctant to make this comment, but I think it is necessary. I do not see any substantial changes between the format of the previous report and this one. I don’t think this communicated anything useful then, and this update does not leave me with an accurate snapshot of the two two-hour long EPDP meetings that I sat through last week. We need something better.
If there is a need for a report that will give the community confidence that multistakeholderism is working, fine, let’s use this one. But the Council, if it is to deliver proper oversight over this EPDP, needs a separate report that does not sugarcoat what is really happening within meetings and glosses over the challenges actually being faced.
If this same reporting format is used again, I will raise this same objection again.
Ayden
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 05:10, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all,
we made a small edit to the report, please find the new version attached. you can find reports here too https://community.icann.org/display/EOTSFGRD/GNSO+Council+Updates
Best,
Rafik
Le lun. 3 sept. 2018 à 08:55, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi all,
please find attached the EPDP team weekly report for last week. we are continuing to tweak the report to highlight the progress.
Best,
Rafik
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