Well as people in my old hoods always said, the personal is political. But if for example I refused to go to theocratic countries that practice torture, execute citizens, consign many others to poverty, invade other countries, contribute to global ecological disaster, and so on, I wouldn't be able to attend meetings in the US…. Everyone calculates differently, I guess. On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
It would depend on the location. In some cases it may be principles related to personal freedoms. In others, it may be principles related to ecology and/or use of resources. And in others it may be a National principle, such as in the USA regarding certain countires considered to be terrorist friendly.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal From: William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch> Date: Thu, July 21, 2011 6:54 am To: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org, adrian@ausregistry.com.au
Hi Tim
Not sure if you were suggesting that I was criticizing someone, but just in case: I wasn't.
I am trying to understand the issues, and yes,expressing disappointment with the consequences, which is different and not personal.
What for example would be the issue of principle rationale?
Thanks
BD
On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
I am sure that there are many reasons why some of us may ultimately not go, some may be prevented by the issues Adrian pointed out, and others may choose not to for personal reasons - issues of principle, health issues, etc.
But one thing is for sure, none of us are responsible for the conditions that exist in different parts of the world. And none of us are being compensated for our participation outside of travel reimbursement for those who decide to accept it (BTW, I no longer do). So NOT ONE of us can or should be criticized directly or indirectly for not attending this meeting, or any other, in person.
On a different note, these types of ICANN meetings are not necessary to "engage" all parts of the world. I have no doubt there are much effective ways to engage various parts of world than these meetings.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal From: William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch> Date: Thu, July 21, 2011 6:29 am To: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Cc: Tim Ruiz <tim@godaddy.com>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
So are the insurance policies such that basically all of Africa off limits other than MENA and SA?
We're setting global policies that Africans have to live with, seems unfortunate if engaging them is off limits..
B
On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:22 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote: From what I understand it is �not able�. Insurance and travel restrictions to the region don�t allow it.
Of course, there are many that would �not prefer to� given the above.
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From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch] Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 9:21 PM To: Adrian Kinderis Cc: Tim Ruiz; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal
Hi Adrian
Do you mean "to not be able" or "to not prefer"?
Just wondering how high the special barrier some folks face is�
Thanks
Bill
On Jul 21, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:
This makes me mad.
I am not mad at Tim, far from it.
But why ICANN continually chooses places that forces key stakeholders and contributors to not be able to participate to the fullest.
Crazy.
Here�s an idea. Let�s build a remote site and EVERYONE go there...
LA Marriott anyone?
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2011 3:24 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Remote Participation for Senegal
Glen,
Can you provide an update of on the expected availability of remote participation for Senegal?
Also to all, if there is any movement toward a US or EU remote participation base, I would be up for that and doing what I could to help cover costs. I think John was asking about this earlier. Any interests?
Either way, after further consideration I think I may be attending only remotely.
Tim