FW: [At-Large] RrSG Statement on RAA Talks
All, I saw ICANN's memo on the RAA negotiations, but did not see them post the Registrars' memo which I believe is unfortunate. There are always two sides to every story and unfortunately I did not see them both represented. I would like to see if we can devote some time during the Council meeting to discuss the last minute changes to the registries and registrars agreements. I agree with the Registrars that with these last minute changes proposed, there is a challenge presented to the PDP process and frankly the GNSO's ongoing role that should be addressed. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Sent from iPad. Please excuse any typos. -----Original Message----- From: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 04:01 AM Eastern Standard Time To: At-Large Worldwide; ALAC WHOIS WG; New gTLD Review Group Subject: [At-Large] RrSG Statement on RAA Talks As you will discover today ICANN has published "a" version of the new RAA for comment. As this impacts on multiple topics / themes you'll have to excuse me for cross-posting this The Registrar SG Negotiating Team feel this publication was premature and have issued a statement: http://michele.cat/22 Regards Michele Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Domains ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
On 03/08/2013 07:19 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
All,
I saw ICANN's memo on the RAA negotiations, but did not see them post the Registrars' memo which I believe is unfortunate. There are always two sides to every story and unfortunately I did not see them both represented.
I would like to see if we can devote some time during the Council meeting to discuss the last minute changes to the registries and registrars agreements. I agree with the Registrars that with these last minute changes proposed, there is a challenge presented to the PDP process and frankly the GNSO's ongoing role that should be addressed.
I would welcome this discussion. I'm disturbed by what I hear about the latest draft, especially if ICANN presents it as a "proposed agreement" when it appears to lack much agreement. --Wendy
Best regards,
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Sent from iPad. Please excuse any typos.
-----Original Message----- From: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 04:01 AM Eastern Standard Time To: At-Large Worldwide; ALAC WHOIS WG; New gTLD Review Group Subject: [At-Large] RrSG Statement on RAA Talks
As you will discover today ICANN has published "a" version of the new RAA for comment. As this impacts on multiple topics / themes you'll have to excuse me for cross-posting this The Registrar SG Negotiating Team feel this publication was premature and have issued a statement:
Regards
Michele
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No, it obviously is not agreed to by the registrars. Nor is it particularly helpful to portray a top-down capability to unilaterally amend the agreement as a "compromise" to the unilateral termination clause. Replacing one bad idea with a different bad idea is no compromise. ICANN further has not indicated why the registrars' statement regarding the current status of the matter was not posted. It's here for your reference: http://icannregistrars.org/calendar/announcements.php On Mar 8, 2013, at 8:45 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
On 03/08/2013 07:19 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
All,
I saw ICANN's memo on the RAA negotiations, but did not see them post the Registrars' memo which I believe is unfortunate. There are always two sides to every story and unfortunately I did not see them both represented.
I would like to see if we can devote some time during the Council meeting to discuss the last minute changes to the registries and registrars agreements. I agree with the Registrars that with these last minute changes proposed, there is a challenge presented to the PDP process and frankly the GNSO's ongoing role that should be addressed.
I would welcome this discussion. I'm disturbed by what I hear about the latest draft, especially if ICANN presents it as a "proposed agreement" when it appears to lack much agreement.
--Wendy
Best regards,
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Sent from iPad. Please excuse any typos.
-----Original Message----- From: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 04:01 AM Eastern Standard Time To: At-Large Worldwide; ALAC WHOIS WG; New gTLD Review Group Subject: [At-Large] RrSG Statement on RAA Talks
As you will discover today ICANN has published "a" version of the new RAA for comment. As this impacts on multiple topics / themes you'll have to excuse me for cross-posting this The Registrar SG Negotiating Team feel this publication was premature and have issued a statement:
Regards
Michele
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Domains ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
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-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Policy Counsel, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University Visiting Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
Thanks Jeff, We just had the preparatory call for the Council meeting on Thurs and I am / we are OK with adding this to the agenda. Are you OK to lead the topic? Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: 08 March 2013 12:20 To: 'GNSO Council' Subject: [council] FW: [At-Large] RrSG Statement on RAA Talks All, I saw ICANN's memo on the RAA negotiations, but did not see them post the Registrars' memo which I believe is unfortunate. There are always two sides to every story and unfortunately I did not see them both represented. I would like to see if we can devote some time during the Council meeting to discuss the last minute changes to the registries and registrars agreements. I agree with the Registrars that with these last minute changes proposed, there is a challenge presented to the PDP process and frankly the GNSO's ongoing role that should be addressed. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Sent from iPad. Please excuse any typos. -----Original Message----- From: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 04:01 AM Eastern Standard Time To: At-Large Worldwide; ALAC WHOIS WG; New gTLD Review Group Subject: [At-Large] RrSG Statement on RAA Talks As you will discover today ICANN has published "a" version of the new RAA for comment. As this impacts on multiple topics / themes you'll have to excuse me for cross-posting this The Registrar SG Negotiating Team feel this publication was premature and have issued a statement: http://michele.cat/22 Regards Michele Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions ♞ Hosting & Domains ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.co http://blog.blacknight.com/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 Locall: 1850 929 929 Facebook: http://fb.me/blacknight Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
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Jonathan Robinson -
Mason Cole -
Neuman, Jeff -
Wendy Seltzer