RE: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation"
Of course, it is a one sided story. The Council changed nothing in the report or recommendations. It only changed it's own motion. But, we all know that. Too bad Kieren didn't bother to get more facts before jumping the gun with his article. He used to be a bit more careful. Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:54 am To: GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org>
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/06/22/gnso-council-vs-volunteer-model Adrian Kinderis
I think both Mikey and subsequently jumped the gun based on the debates over the weekend, which were just that....debates. To post an article like Kieren has could have the unintended affect of stifling open debate during our sessions. I for one prefer open debate, but not if some are going to take that out of context. We eventually got to the right place, but we needed to get there through debate and working through the issues. We should have been given the benefit of the doubt until we took final action. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:46 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" Of course, it is a one sided story. The Council changed nothing in the report or recommendations. It only changed it's own motion. But, we all know that. Too bad Kieren didn't bother to get more facts before jumping the gun with his article. He used to be a bit more careful. Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" From: Adrian Kinderis Date: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:54 am To: GNSO Council List
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/06/22/gnso-council-vs-volunteer-model
Adrian Kinderis
Unfortunately, that brings us back to the discussion we had after whatever meeting it was, when we ended up re-drafting motions during our public meeting, and that didn't go down well either - both seem opposite ends of the spectrum (too much open discussion versus too little?). Maybe we should discuss this during the wrap-up session tomorrow. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> To:"'tim@godaddy.com'" <tim@godaddy.com>, "'adrian@ausregistry.com.au'" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> CC:"'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2011 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" I think both Mikey and subsequently jumped the gun based on the debates over the weekend, which were just that....debates. To post an article like Kieren has could have the unintended affect of stifling open debate during our sessions. I for one prefer open debate, but not if some are going to take that out of context. We eventually got to the right place, but we needed to get there through debate and working through the issues. We should have been given the benefit of the doubt until we took final action. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:46 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" Of course, it is a one sided story. The Council changed nothing in the report or recommendations. It only changed it's own motion. But, we all know that. Too bad Kieren didn't bother to get more facts before jumping the gun with his article. He used to be a bit more careful. Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" From: Adrian Kinderis Date: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:54 am To: GNSO Council List
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/06/22/gnso-council-vs-volunteer-model
Adrian Kinderis
This is clearly something we can discuss tomorrow. As usual, we have not set an official agenda for our wrap-up so that we can look forward to some great discussion. Thanks, Stéphane Le 22 juin 2011 à 11:05, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Unfortunately, that brings us back to the discussion we had after whatever meeting it was, when we ended up re-drafting motions during our public meeting, and that didn't go down well either - both seem opposite ends of the spectrum (too much open discussion versus too little?). Maybe we should discuss this during the wrap-up session tomorrow.
Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> To: "'tim@godaddy.com'" <tim@godaddy.com>, "'adrian@ausregistry.com.au'" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> CC: "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2011 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" I think both Mikey and subsequently jumped the gun based on the debates over the weekend, which were just that....debates.
To post an article like Kieren has could have the unintended affect of stifling open debate during our sessions. I for one prefer open debate, but not if some are going to take that out of context.
We eventually got to the right place, but we needed to get there through debate and working through the issues. We should have been given the benefit of the doubt until we took final action.
Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:46 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation"
Of course, it is a one sided story. The Council changed nothing in the report or recommendations. It only changed it's own motion. But, we all know that. Too bad Kieren didn't bother to get more facts before jumping the gun with his article. He used to be a bit more careful.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" From: Adrian Kinderis Date: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:54 am To: GNSO Council List
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/06/22/gnso-council-vs-volunteer-model
Adrian Kinderis
I also think we should talk about what, if anything, we should be doing as a Council to ensure that a WG Final Report doesn't get to us and we feel it's necessary to send it back to the WG. ________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:13 AM To: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu Cc: 'council@gnso.icann.org' Subject: Re: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" This is clearly something we can discuss tomorrow. As usual, we have not set an official agenda for our wrap-up so that we can look forward to some great discussion. Thanks, Stéphane Le 22 juin 2011 à 11:05, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> a écrit : Unfortunately, that brings us back to the discussion we had after whatever meeting it was, when we ended up re-drafting motions during our public meeting, and that didn't go down well either - both seem opposite ends of the spectrum (too much open discussion versus too little?). Maybe we should discuss this during the wrap-up session tomorrow. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us>> To: "'tim@godaddy.com<mailto:'tim@godaddy.com>'" <tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com>>, "'adrian@ausregistry.com.au<mailto:'adrian@ausregistry.com.au>'" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au<mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au>> CC: "'council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:'council@gnso.icann.org>'" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: 6/22/2011 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" I think both Mikey and subsequently jumped the gun based on the debates over the weekend, which were just that....debates.
To post an article like Kieren has could have the unintended affect of stifling open debate during our sessions. I for one prefer open debate, but not if some are going to take that out of context. We eventually got to the right place, but we needed to get there through debate and working through the issues. We should have been given the benefit of the doubt until we took final action. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz> From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:46 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au<mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au> <adrian@ausregistry.com.au<mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" Of course, it is a one sided story. The Council changed nothing in the report or recommendations. It only changed it's own motion. But, we all know that. Too bad Kieren didn't bother to get more facts before jumping the gun with his article. He used to be a bit more careful. Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" From: Adrian Kinderis Date: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:54 am To: GNSO Council List
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/06/22/gnso-council-vs-volunteer-model
Adrian Kinderis
For the Council's information, I did reach out to Kieren as soon as I saw this article. I hope to be able to discuss with him and point out that what the GNSO Council did today was too approve unanimously a number of consensus policies and give itself additional time to look at a couple more. But in no way did we attempt to alter or edit the WG's work. Stéphane Le 22 juin 2011 à 10:58, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :
I think both Mikey and subsequently jumped the gun based on the debates over the weekend, which were just that....debates.
To post an article like Kieren has could have the unintended affect of stifling open debate during our sessions. I for one prefer open debate, but not if some are going to take that out of context.
We eventually got to the right place, but we needed to get there through debate and working through the issues. We should have been given the benefit of the doubt until we took final action.
Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 04:46 AM To: adrian@ausregistry.com.au <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation"
Of course, it is a one sided story. The Council changed nothing in the report or recommendations. It only changed it's own motion. But, we all know that. Too bad Kieren didn't bother to get more facts before jumping the gun with his article. He used to be a bit more careful.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Kieren's thoughts on Mikey's "resignation" From: Adrian Kinderis Date: Wed, June 22, 2011 2:54 am To: GNSO Council List
http://news.dot-nxt.com/2011/06/22/gnso-council-vs-volunteer-model
Adrian Kinderis
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