WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Stéphane, I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc. Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear! Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Hello Katim, This is a personal reaction to your message. I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report. At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council. Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work. Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process". As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents. You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend. In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments. Thanks, Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit : Dear all, Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this. Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need. One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report. I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party. Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations. Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore! Sincerely, Katim On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: Dear All, The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us. PROPOSED AGENDA: * Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points * Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) - JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members * Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels - Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: 1. Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. 2. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. 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Thanks so much for doing that Wolf. Bill, my sincere apologies for not copying you, it was an oversight on my part. Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 12:57, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair
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SVG, I don't have any issues with the wording of the email. It is straight out of the AK playbook and the sentiment is spot on. However, I am not sure you should have included any other members of the Board given it was an email and not one endorsed by the GNSO Council. I fear that, at any given moment, councillors will email individual Board members and create the false impression that the view is indeed one shared by the GNSO - despite any waivers you put in the email itself. I think you also need to be careful in your position as Chair as your comments will inevitably be accepted as a general view. I like the fact that, as chair, you are prepared to act and protect the processes we have worked hard to develop. It is a great quality to have in a Chair, especially in this environment. Unfortunately, as I have learnt on a number of occasions, this needs to be tempered with perspective and consensus if it is to be put forward. Perhaps bringing your point up with the Council or emailing Board members personally and privately would have been more appropriate. I am not sure I am helping here. Something just didn't feel right in the way this was done. Thanks and safe travels all. #yestonewTLDs Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:02 PM To: KnobenW@telekom.de Cc: graham@isoc.org; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Thanks so much for doing that Wolf. Bill, my sincere apologies for not copying you, it was an oversight on my part. Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 12:57, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> a écrit : Stéphane, I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc. Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear! Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Hello Katim, This is a personal reaction to your message. I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report. At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council. Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work. Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process". As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents. You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend. In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments. Thanks, Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit : Dear all, Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this. Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need. One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report. I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party. Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations. Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore! Sincerely, Katim On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> wrote: Dear All, The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us. PROPOSED AGENDA: * Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points * Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) - JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members * Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels - Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: 1. Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. 2. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC For other places see: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=JAS+WG&iso=20110607... ADOBE CONNECT: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/jas/ Wiki Workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+W... If you require a dial-out, please email staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with you preferred contact number. ____________________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: JAS For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the call. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519<tel:0800-777-0519> AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651<tel:0800-7610651> CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA* 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670<tel:10800-712-1670> 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND Land Line: 106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FINLAND Mobile: 09-106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247<tel:0800-664-4247> GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA 000-800-852-1268<tel:000-800-852-1268> INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029<tel:0808-238-6029> UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029<tel:0808-238-6029> UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029<tel:0808-238-6029> UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029<tel:0808-238-6029> UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029<tel:0808-238-6029> URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421<tel:000-413-598-3421> USA 1-517-345-9004<tel:1-517-345-9004> 866-692-5726<tel:866-692-5726> VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 *Access to your conference call will be either of the numbers listed, dependent on the participants' local telecom provider. Restrictions may exist when accessing freephone/toll free numbers using a mobile telephone.
Stephane, IMHO this was an overreaction to the expected signal - we just didn't know the origin. I understand and support your desire to protect council's discipline and methods and don't see any trouble with this one. Just repeating my preaching: let's concentrate on matter rather than procedures and be less bureaucratic :) See you soon, --andrei From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:14 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder; KnobenW@telekom.de Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting SVG, I dont have any issues with the wording of the email. It is straight out of the AK playbook and the sentiment is spot on. However, I am not sure you should have included any other members of the Board given it was an email and not one endorsed by the GNSO Council. I fear that, at any given moment, councillors will email individual Board members and create the false impression that the view is indeed one shared by the GNSO despite any waivers you put in the email itself. I think you also need to be careful in your position as Chair as your comments will inevitably be accepted as a general view. I like the fact that, as chair, you are prepared to act and protect the processes we have worked hard to develop. It is a great quality to have in a Chair, especially in this environment. Unfortunately, as I have learnt on a number of occasions, this needs to be tempered with perspective and consensus if it is to be put forward. Perhaps bringing your point up with the Council or emailing Board members personally and privately would have been more appropriate. I am not sure I am helping here. Something just didnt feel right in the way this was done. Thanks and safe travels all. #yestonewTLDs Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:02 PM To: KnobenW@telekom.de Cc: graham@isoc.org; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Thanks so much for doing that Wolf. Bill, my sincere apologies for not copying you, it was an oversight on my part. Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 12:57, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit : Stéphane, I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc. Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear! Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich _____ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Hello Katim, This is a personal reaction to your message. I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report. At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council. Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work. Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process". As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents. You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend. In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments. Thanks, Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit : Dear all, Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this. Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need. One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report. I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party. Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations. Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore! Sincerely, Katim On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: Dear All, The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us. PROPOSED AGENDA: * Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points * Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members * Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: 1. Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. 2. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC For other places see: <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=JAS+WG&iso=2011060 7T13> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=JAS+WG&iso=20110607 T13 ADOBE CONNECT: <http://icann.adobeconnect.com/jas/> http://icann.adobeconnect.com/jas/ Wiki Workspace: <https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+ Working+Group+%28JAS-WG%29> https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+W orking+Group+%28JAS-WG%29 If you require a dial-out, please email <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org with you preferred contact number. ____________________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: JAS For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the call. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA* 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND Land Line: 106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FINLAND Mobile: 09-106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA 000-800-852-1268 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 *Access to your conference call will be either of the numbers listed, dependent on the participants' local telecom provider. Restrictions may exist when accessing freephone/toll free numbers using a mobile telephone.
Thanks Andrei, I think that is consistent with the point I was making. This is not bureaucracy, it is the core function of ICANN. How could the GNSO have been any quicker about considering the JAS milestone report, while still keeping within our rules? Stéphane Le 15 juin 2011 à 11:36, Andrei Kolesnikov a écrit :
Stephane, IMHO this was an overreaction to the expected signal - we just didn't know the origin. I understand and support your desire to protect council's discipline and methods and don't see any trouble with this one. Just repeating my preaching: let's concentrate on matter rather than procedures and be less bureaucratic :)
See you soon,
--andrei
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:14 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder; KnobenW@telekom.de Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
SVG,
I don’t have any issues with the wording of the email. It is straight out of the AK playbook and the sentiment is spot on.
However, I am not sure you should have included any other members of the Board given it was an email and not one endorsed by the GNSO Council.
I fear that, at any given moment, councillors will email individual Board members and create the false impression that the view is indeed one shared by the GNSO – despite any waivers you put in the email itself.
I think you also need to be careful in your position as Chair as your comments will inevitably be accepted as a general view.
I like the fact that, as chair, you are prepared to act and protect the processes we have worked hard to develop. It is a great quality to have in a Chair, especially in this environment. Unfortunately, as I have learnt on a number of occasions, this needs to be tempered with perspective and consensus if it is to be put forward.
Perhaps bringing your point up with the Council or emailing Board members personally and privately would have been more appropriate.
I am not sure I am helping here. Something just didn’t feel right in the way this was done.
Thanks and safe travels all.
#yestonewTLDs
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2011 9:02 PM To: KnobenW@telekom.de Cc: graham@isoc.org; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Thanks so much for doing that Wolf. Bill, my sincere apologies for not copying you, it was an oversight on my part.
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 12:57, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair
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Hi While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort. As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter. Thanks, Bill On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC
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ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA* 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND Land Line: 106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FINLAND Mobile: 09-106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA 000-800-852-1268 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702
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Bill, My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way. You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO position. But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message. Stéphane Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
Hi
While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort. As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter.
Thanks,
Bill
On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC
For other places see:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=JAS+WG&iso=20110607...
ADOBE CONNECT: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/jas/
Wiki Workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+W...
If you require a dial-out, please email staff@atlarge.icann.org with you preferred contact number. ____________________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: JAS
For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the call. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/Toll Free Number
ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA* 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND Land Line: 106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FINLAND Mobile: 09-106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA 000-800-852-1268 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702
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Hi Stéphane Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted that in the first sentence of my reply. I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council. So can we agree that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-) Onward and upward, Bill On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Bill,
My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.
You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO position.
But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.
Stéphane
Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
Hi
While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort. As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter.
Thanks,
Bill
On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair
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Thanks for clarifying Bill. I think we can agree that we agree ;) Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;)) Stéphane Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit :
Hi Stéphane
Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted that in the first sentence of my reply. I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council. So can we agree that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-)
Onward and upward,
Bill
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Bill,
My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.
You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO position.
But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.
Stéphane
Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
Hi
While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort. As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter.
Thanks,
Bill
On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair
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Bill, now I understand that my English may have confused you. I was writing about the "GNSO position within this process..." meaning the process of developing the motion. It was my personal opinion and not meaning that Stéphane's comment was the GNSO's position. Sorry if I mislead you. Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2011 17:49 An: William Drake Cc: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; GNSO Council List; Touray, Katim; Graham, Bill; Rita Johnston Rodin; Bruce Tonkin; "Géry de Saint, Glen"; Carlton SAMUELS A; Rafik Dammak; Crepin-Leblond, Olivier; ICANN (Internal) list ALAC; Karla Valente; gacsec@gac.icann.org Betreff: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Thanks for clarifying Bill. I think we can agree that we agree ;) Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;)) Stéphane Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit : Hi Stéphane Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted that in the first sentence of my reply. I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council. So can we agree that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-) Onward and upward, Bill On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Bill, My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way. You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO position. But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message. Stéphane Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit : Hi While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort. As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter. Thanks, Bill On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote: Stéphane, I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc. Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear! Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting Hello Katim, This is a personal reaction to your message. I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report. At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council. Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work. Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process". As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents. You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend. In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments. Thanks, Stéphane Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit : Dear all, Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this. Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need. One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report. I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party. Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations. Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore! Sincerely, Katim On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote: Dear All, The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us. PROPOSED AGENDA: * Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points * Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) - JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members * Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels - Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: 1. Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. 2. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dial-in details: Tuesday 14 June 2011 at 13:00 UTC For other places see: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=JAS+WG&iso=20110607... <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=JAS+WG&iso=20110607...> ADOBE CONNECT: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/jas/ <http://icann.adobeconnect.com/jas/> Wiki Workspace: https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+W... <https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+W...> If you require a dial-out, please email staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> with you preferred contact number. ____________________________________________________________________________ Participant passcode: JAS For security reasons, the passcode will be required to join the call. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dial in numbers: Country Toll Numbers Freephone/Toll Free Number ARGENTINA 0800-777-0519 AUSTRALIA ADELAIDE: 61-8-8121-4842 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA BRISBANE: 61-7-3102-0944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA CANBERRA: 61-2-6100-1944 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA MELBOURNE: 61-3-9010-7713 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA PERTH: 61-8-9467-5223 1-800-657-260 AUSTRALIA SYDNEY: 61-2-8205-8129 1-800-657-260 AUSTRIA 43-1-92-81-113 0800-005-259 BELGIUM 32-2-400-9861 0800-3-8795 BRAZIL 0800-7610651 CHILE 1230-020-2863 CHINA* 86-400-810-4789 10800-712-1670 10800-120-1670 COLOMBIA 01800-9-156474 CZECH REPUBLIC 420-2-25-98-56-64 800-700-177 DENMARK 45-7014-0284 8088-8324 ESTONIA 800-011-1093 FINLAND Land Line: 106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FINLAND Mobile: 09-106-33-203 0-800-9-14610 FRANCE LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-85 080-511-1496 FRANCE PARIS: 33-1-70-70-60-72 080-511-1496 GERMANY 49-69-2222-20362 0800-664-4247 GREECE 30-80-1-100-0687 00800-12-7312 HONG KONG 852-3001-3863 800-962-856 HUNGARY 06-800-12755 INDIA 000-800-852-1268 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3982 IRELAND 353-1-246-7646 1800-992-368 ISRAEL 1-80-9216162 ITALY 39-02-3600-6007 800-986-383 JAPAN OSAKA: 81-6-7739-4799 0066-33-132439 JAPAN TOKYO: 81-3-5539-5191 0066-33-132439 LATVIA 8000-3185 LUXEMBOURG 352-27-000-1364 MALAYSIA 1-800-81-3065 MEXICO 001-866-376-9696 NETHERLANDS 31-20-718-8588 0800-023-4378 NEW ZEALAND 64-9-970-4771 0800-447-722 NORWAY 47-21-590-062 800-15157 PANAMA 011-001-800-5072065 PERU 0800-53713 PHILIPPINES 63-2-858-3716 POLAND 00-800-1212572 PORTUGAL 8008-14052 RUSSIA 8-10-8002-0144011 SINGAPORE 65-6883-9230 800-120-4663 SLOVAK REPUBLIC 421-2-322-422-25 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-80414 SOUTH KOREA 82-2-6744-1083 00798-14800-7352 SPAIN 34-91-414-25-33 800-300-053 SWEDEN 46-8-566-19-348 0200-884-622 SWITZERLAND 41-44-580-6398 0800-120-032 TAIWAN 886-2-2795-7379 00801-137-797 THAILAND 001-800-1206-66056 UNITED KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9025 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3225 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LEEDS: 44-113-301-2125 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7108-6370 0808-238-6029 UNITED KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1425 0808-238-6029 URUGUAY 000-413-598-3421 USA 1-517-345-9004 866-692-5726 VENEZUELA 0800-1-00-3702 *Access to your conference call will be either of the numbers listed, dependent on the participants' local telecom provider. 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Hi Wolf-Ulrich, Thanks for the clarification. I readily admit to finding English a very confusing language… Best, Bill On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:17 AM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
Bill,
now I understand that my English may have confused you. I was writing about the "GNSO position within this process..." meaning the process of developing the motion. It was my personal opinion and not meaning that Stéphane's comment was the GNSO's position.
Sorry if I mislead you.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Juni 2011 17:49 An: William Drake Cc: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; GNSO Council List; Touray, Katim; Graham, Bill; Rita Johnston Rodin; Bruce Tonkin; "Géry de Saint, Glen"; Carlton SAMUELS A; Rafik Dammak; Crepin-Leblond, Olivier; ICANN (Internal) list ALAC; Karla Valente; gacsec@gac.icann.org Betreff: Re: WG: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Thanks for clarifying Bill.
I think we can agree that we agree ;)
Can I say "please no" to your suggestion for a month-long debate? ;))
Stéphane
Le 15 juin 2011 à 16:49, William Drake a écrit :
Hi Stéphane
Right, I didn't question that it was a personal statement, and indeed I noted that in the first sentence of my reply. I was responding to Wolf-Ulrich's message saying you'd made clear "the GNSO position" and simply underscoring that there's no singular view in the Council. So can we agree that we agree, or shall we have a month long Council debate on the procedures to be followed in determining whether we agree? :-)
Onward and upward,
Bill
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Bill,
My message was a personal response and clearly marked in this way.
You are absolutely right that it should in no way be construed as a GNSO position.
But to be honest, I think that was very clearly stated in my message.
Stéphane
Le 15 juin 2011 à 03:14, William Drake a écrit :
Hi
While one can differ with the some of the word choices in the message to which Stéphane has responded in his personal capacity, it should be noted that the sort of optical concerns that were raised are share among at least some in Council who've supported the JAS effort. As such, I would not characterize the situation as there being a singular "GNSO position" on this. There's a majority view and there's a minority view, not full consensus, and I hope we can keep that clear in future references to the matter.
Thanks,
Bill
On Jun 14, 2011, at 6:57 PM, <KnobenW@telekom.de> <KnobenW@telekom.de> wrote:
Stéphane,
I've put Bill Graham as the 3rd GNSO elected board member on cc.
Great message, making the entire process and the GNSO position within this process very clear!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2011 10:48 An: Katim S. Touray; GNSO Council List; Peter Dengate Thrush; Rita Rodin Johnston; Bruce Tonkin Cc: ICANN At-Large Staff; Secretary; Jeremy Beale; Glen de Saint Géry; Karla Valente; Carlton Samuels; Rafik Dammak; ALAC EXCOM; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Betreff: [council] Re: Reminder / Tuesday 14 June 2011 @ 1300 UTC / JAS WG - Board - GAC proposed June 7 meeting
Hello Katim,
This is a personal reaction to your message.
I am, frankly, aghast that a Board member would send a message indicating that one of ICANN's SOs has been "slow" in acting on a report, in the way you portray the GNSO as having acted with regards to the JAS Milestone Report.
At best, this shows a lack of understanding of the basic process that our SO is committed to following, by its own bylaws and by the ICANN bylaws. Immediately after the JAS had forwarded its report to us, it was considered by the GNSO Council at its next meeting. During that meeting, one of the GNSO groups requested the motion be deferred for one meeting. We have a long-standing custom of entertaining such requests. Hence the GNSO considered the motion again at its June 9 meeting, where I am happy to say that the motion (requesting, among other things, that the report be put out for public comment asap) was approved unanimously by the Council.
Regardless of your personal interests, I would think that one of your duties as a Board member is to uphold the organisation's bylaws, to respect its SOs and to uphold the processes under which they work.
Implying in your message that the GNSO is attempting to scuttle the "entire process of seeking ways... to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants" is not only untrue (as our unanimous vote shows), it is also a serious disregard of the way ICANN and its SOs work. ICANN's bottom-up process is not "pick and choose". Just because, on this issue that you care strongly about, you feel that things are not moving fast enough, this does not justify false allegations of possible attempts by one SO to "scuttle the process".
As your message was sent in the context of a call with the Board, the GAC, Staff and ALAC, I consider it very public. Hence it could also be construed as an attempt to discredit the hard work being done by the community of volunteers that the GNSO represents.
You request suggestions to the Board "to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party" (and this is clearly aimed at the GNSO in this case). I would offer one: don't hijack ICANN's core process of working through its SOs and ACs towards the Board! I take your message to be a breach of that process and would personally appreciate reassurance from you that I am mistaken, and that is not what you intend.
In order to initiate possible discussion on this at both Council and Board level, I am copying the GNSO Council, Peter as Chairman of the Board and the two GNSO-elected Board members for their possible comments.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 14 juin 2011 à 01:33, Katim S. Touray a écrit :
Dear all,
Thanks so much for your invitation to the call. I certainly was looking forward to joining you on the call, but unfortunately, I have a serious conflict that only came up earlier today (Mon.) I am a consultant helping prepare a strategic action plan for our Fisheries Department in The Gambia, and we were in a workshop all day today discussing a draft plan I presented a few weeks back. We were hoping to go through the entire document today, but we could not. So we agreed to meet again tomorrow to complete our review of the draft document. For this reason, I will not be available to join the call tomorrow, and I am most disappointed by this.
Having said that, I hope you have a successful meeting tomorrow. In addition, I would like to say that I hope your recommendations receive the proper attention they deserve, and that in the end, needy new gTLD applicants get the support they need.
One issue I would like you to discuss on the call is the timeline for the finalization of the JAS WG report. While I agree that it will help to insist that the AG mention that needy applicants should seek support through the process based the JAS WG report, I think it will help to provide a timeline for the finalization of your report.
I'm also troubled by the fact that the GNSO has been rather slow in acting on the JAS WG reports. I fear such a situation might well be construed by many as an effort by the GNSO to scuttle the entire process of seeking ways and means to provide support to needy new gTLD applicants. One important product of such a perception would be that developing countries will feel that ICANN is not sincere when it says (as the Board did in Nairobi last year) that it is interested in launching an inclusive new gTLD program. I need not say that such a perception will also harm ICANN's efforts to strengthen relations with developing countries, and get them on our side on the many issues we'd like to have their support. For this reason, I would like hear what suggestions you have to the board to ensure that progress cannot be hijacked by inaction by any party.
Finally, let me say a big "Thank you!!" again to all of you for your tireless and selfless efforts on this matter. Again, I am very sorry I would not be able to join your call, and best wishes in your deliberations.
Have a great week, and safe travels to Singapore!
Sincerely,
Katim
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
The JAS Working Group Call with members of the Board, GAC and GNSO invited, is scheduled on Tuesday, 14 June 2001, at 13:00 UTC. We hope you will be able to join us.
PROPOSED AGENDA: Introduction (5 to 10 minutes) Evan Leibovitch - Highlights Second Milestone Report covering short history how it was developed and specific summary points Board/GAC questions/comments (30 to 40 minutes) – JAS WG would like to listen to individual feedback and receive questions/suggestions from GAC and Board members Singapore (5 to 10 minutes) Rafik Dammak/Carlton Samuels – Should there be a public meeting with the JAS WG GAC/Board members during the Singapore ICANN Meeting? As a reminder, it would help the JAS WG to better prepare if you could: Advise on the representatives from the Board and GAC that will be able to attend the teleconference. Send us any questions or comments on the Milestone Report in advance, if possible. Kind regards, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ALAC Chair
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William Drake