Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Councillors, Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had forgotten to copy the Council here ;) Stéphane Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I agree with Jeff 100%
Stéphane
Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think the GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized in Costa Rica.
The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think the GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss. This is a matter that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during the weekend from official GNSO business.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of KnobenW@telekom.de Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO representative should participate in such a discussion. Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too? Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27 An: soac-discussion@icann.org Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Dear SO/AC Chairs,
a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your community might be interested in. As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out your community's views ASAP.
Warmest regards,
Olivier
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
Hi Olivier's question being whether our community might be interested in a session, I think there'd be significant interest in NCSG in a session on SOPA/PIPA and their pending progeny (of course, since we still have no idea what the schedule might even tentatively look like and thus have struggled to organize meetings, there's no way to guesstimate our actual ability to attend this or other workshops of particular interest). That said, I agree with Jeff that this is not an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss (and disagree with him that it's just a matter that effects national law). Best, Bill On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Councillors,
Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had forgotten to copy the Council here ;)
Stéphane
Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I agree with Jeff 100%
Stéphane
Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think the GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized in Costa Rica.
The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think the GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss. This is a matter that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during the weekend from official GNSO business.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of KnobenW@telekom.de Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO representative should participate in such a discussion. Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too? Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27 An: soac-discussion@icann.org Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Dear SO/AC Chairs,
a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your community might be interested in. As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out your community's views ASAP.
Warmest regards,
Olivier
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
While a session on SOPA (and perhaps also PIPA, the Senate version of a similar bill) might be helpful to the community, especially if it focuses on aspects that would affect management, expansion and/or security of the DNS, I agree it would seem somewhat outside the Council's scope. Question whether, as a general topic, it is within the GNSO community's range of direct interests - and depending on what the session covers, it might well be. I'd suggest not adding it to the Council's agenda, but agreeing that such a session could be of interest to individual GNSO SGs, Cs and participants. FWIW it's not clear where either the US Senate or House of Representatives will go with the bills. Some co-sponsors have either pulled out or have stated publicly that much needs to be reconsidered, while at least one major sponsor (Senator Leahy from Vermont) seems to want to keep the bills alive, with possible modifications. There will be lots of discussions, hearings and negotiations between now and any formal action - and it's likely the DNS sections of the original bill will be dropped altogether or be drastically changed - so I'm not sure how discussing a previous version of the legislation would be entirely helpful (unless a new version of one or both bills is out in advance sufficiently of our Costa Rica meeting to enable folks to familiarize themselves with it). Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:"council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 2/7/2012 11:57 AM Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions Councillors, Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had forgotten to copy the Council here ;) Stéphane Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I agree with Jeff 100%
Stéphane
Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think
the GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized in Costa Rica.
The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think
the GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not
believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss. This is a matter that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during the weekend from official GNSO business.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org
[mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of KnobenW@telekom.de
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO representative should participate in such a discussion. Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too? Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27 An: soac-discussion@icann.org Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Dear SO/AC Chairs,
a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your community might be interested in. As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out your community's views ASAP.
Warmest regards,
Olivier
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
I agree it's generally outside the scope of the council. I do think however the idea of trying to control or eradicate content by means of Internet intermediaries (ISPs, registrars, registries, ad service providers, payment processors, etc.) is of interest to many of us who participate actively in ICANN. Indeed this is part of the SOPA/PIPA bills' designs. So should that legislation fail in the US, the community might anticipate further attention being directed toward ICANN as a means of achieving that agenda. So we may do well to be educated, even if there's little for us to act on as it relates to the legislation itself. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu Sent: Tue 2/7/2012 11:00 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions While a session on SOPA (and perhaps also PIPA, the Senate version of a similar bill) might be helpful to the community, especially if it focuses on aspects that would affect management, expansion and/or security of the DNS, I agree it would seem somewhat outside the Council's scope. Question whether, as a general topic, it is within the GNSO community's range of direct interests - and depending on what the session covers, it might well be. I'd suggest not adding it to the Council's agenda, but agreeing that such a session could be of interest to individual GNSO SGs, Cs and participants. FWIW it's not clear where either the US Senate or House of Representatives will go with the bills. Some co-sponsors have either pulled out or have stated publicly that much needs to be reconsidered, while at least one major sponsor (Senator Leahy from Vermont) seems to want to keep the bills alive, with possible modifications. There will be lots of discussions, hearings and negotiations between now and any formal action - and it's likely the DNS sections of the original bill will be dropped altogether or be drastically changed - so I'm not sure how discussing a previous version of the legislation would be entirely helpful (unless a new version of one or both bills is out in advance sufficiently of our Costa Rica meeting to enable folks to familiarize themselves with it). Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: "council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 2/7/2012 11:57 AM Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Councillors, Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had forgotten to copy the Council here ;) Stéphane Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I agree with Jeff 100%
Stéphane
Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think the GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized in Costa Rica.
The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think the GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss. This is a matter that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during the weekend from official GNSO business.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of KnobenW@telekom.de Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO representative should participate in such a discussion. Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too? Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27 An: soac-discussion@icann.org Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Dear SO/AC Chairs,
a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your community might be interested in. As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out your community's views ASAP.
Warmest regards,
Olivier
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
OK, thanks for your feedback everyone. I have asked Olivier to provide details on what it is ALAC intends. If this is just an open session, then fine, anyone can go and why are we even discussing it? If this is something else, then what is it exactly and how is the GNSO being asked to get involved? I will update the Council when I have an answer. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Head of Domain Operations Group NBT Le 8 févr. 2012 à 00:36, Mason Cole a écrit :
I agree it's generally outside the scope of the council.
I do think however the idea of trying to control or eradicate content by means of Internet intermediaries (ISPs, registrars, registries, ad service providers, payment processors, etc.) is of interest to many of us who participate actively in ICANN. Indeed this is part of the SOPA/PIPA bills' designs. So should that legislation fail in the US, the community might anticipate further attention being directed toward ICANN as a means of achieving that agenda. So we may do well to be educated, even if there's little for us to act on as it relates to the legislation itself.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu Sent: Tue 2/7/2012 11:00 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
While a session on SOPA (and perhaps also PIPA, the Senate version of a similar bill) might be helpful to the community, especially if it focuses on aspects that would affect management, expansion and/or security of the DNS, I agree it would seem somewhat outside the Council's scope. Question whether, as a general topic, it is within the GNSO community's range of direct interests - and depending on what the session covers, it might well be.
I'd suggest not adding it to the Council's agenda, but agreeing that such a session could be of interest to individual GNSO SGs, Cs and participants.
FWIW it's not clear where either the US Senate or House of Representatives will go with the bills. Some co-sponsors have either pulled out or have stated publicly that much needs to be reconsidered, while at least one major sponsor (Senator Leahy from Vermont) seems to want to keep the bills alive, with possible modifications. There will be lots of discussions, hearings and negotiations between now and any formal action - and it's likely the DNS sections of the original bill will be dropped altogether or be drastically changed - so I'm not sure how discussing a previous version of the legislation would be entirely helpful (unless a new version of one or both bills is out in advance sufficiently of our Costa Rica meeting to enable folks to familiarize themselves with it).
Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: "council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 2/7/2012 11:57 AM Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Councillors,
Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had forgotten to copy the Council here ;)
Stéphane
Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I agree with Jeff 100%
Stéphane
Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think the GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized in Costa Rica.
The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think the GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss. This is a matter that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during the weekend from official GNSO business.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of KnobenW@telekom.de Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO representative should participate in such a discussion. Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too? Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27 An: soac-discussion@icann.org Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Dear SO/AC Chairs,
a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your community might be interested in. As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out your community's views ASAP.
Warmest regards,
Olivier
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
Thanks Stephane Joy From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012 10:31 p.m. To: Mason Cole Cc: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions OK, thanks for your feedback everyone. I have asked Olivier to provide details on what it is ALAC intends. If this is just an open session, then fine, anyone can go and why are we even discussing it? If this is something else, then what is it exactly and how is the GNSO being asked to get involved? I will update the Council when I have an answer. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Head of Domain Operations Group NBT Le 8 févr. 2012 à 00:36, Mason Cole a écrit : I agree it's generally outside the scope of the council. I do think however the idea of trying to control or eradicate content by means of Internet intermediaries (ISPs, registrars, registries, ad service providers, payment processors, etc.) is of interest to many of us who participate actively in ICANN. Indeed this is part of the SOPA/PIPA bills' designs. So should that legislation fail in the US, the community might anticipate further attention being directed toward ICANN as a means of achieving that agenda. So we may do well to be educated, even if there's little for us to act on as it relates to the legislation itself. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu Sent: Tue 2/7/2012 11:00 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org; Stéphane Van Gelder Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions While a session on SOPA (and perhaps also PIPA, the Senate version of a similar bill) might be helpful to the community, especially if it focuses on aspects that would affect management, expansion and/or security of the DNS, I agree it would seem somewhat outside the Council's scope. Question whether, as a general topic, it is within the GNSO community's range of direct interests - and depending on what the session covers, it might well be. I'd suggest not adding it to the Council's agenda, but agreeing that such a session could be of interest to individual GNSO SGs, Cs and participants. FWIW it's not clear where either the US Senate or House of Representatives will go with the bills. Some co-sponsors have either pulled out or have stated publicly that much needs to be reconsidered, while at least one major sponsor (Senator Leahy from Vermont) seems to want to keep the bills alive, with possible modifications. There will be lots of discussions, hearings and negotiations between now and any formal action - and it's likely the DNS sections of the original bill will be dropped altogether or be drastically changed - so I'm not sure how discussing a previous version of the legislation would be entirely helpful (unless a new version of one or both bills is out in advance sufficiently of our Costa Rica meeting to enable folks to familiarize themselves with it). Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: "council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 2/7/2012 11:57 AM Subject: [council] Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Councillors, Please find below an email chain starting with a message from the ALAC Chair. Thanks to Wolf for keeping me honest and reminding me that I had forgotten to copy the Council here ;) Stéphane Le 7 févr. 2012 à 16:06, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
are you going to inform the council about Olivier's request?
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 11:01 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: Re: [gnso-chairs] AW: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I agree with Jeff 100%
Stéphane
Le 2 févr. 2012 à 22:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Jeff, I personally agree - with the knowledge I have so far.
Nevertheless I expect different views from councillors. And I think the
GNSO should be prepared just in case such a forum is going to be organized in Costa Rica.
The ccNSO chair has answered to Olivier's request in favour. I think the
GNSO chair should send an answer, too, based on GNSO discussions.
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2012 22:11 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; gnso-chairs@icann.org Betreff: RE: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I have been keeping quiet about this on other lists, but no I do not
believe this is an issue for the GNSO Council to discuss. This is a matter that effects national law and would represent a complete side track during the weekend from official GNSO business.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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-----Original Message----- From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On
Behalf Of KnobenW@telekom.de
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:06 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] WG: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
I wonder whether the GNSO could refrain from such a forum in San José. Is SOPA (and PIPA) effecting our policy work or not? I think a GNSO representative should participate in such a discussion. Should we put this on the GNSO weekend agenda in San José, too? Maybe there is interest in discussing the item with the GAC ?!
Kind regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-soac-discussion@icann.org [mailto:owner-soac-discussion@icann.org] Im Auftrag von Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2012 08:27 An: soac-discussion@icann.org Cc: ICANN AtLarge Staff Betreff: [soac-discussion] SOPA Discussions
Dear SO/AC Chairs,
a recent discussion on an ALAC call led to the question whether the ICANN community might be interested in holding a session in San José, to discuss the aspects of the SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and how it might affect ICANN policies that were reached through consensus.
I am writing to you all to find out of this is something which your community might be interested in. As we are currently finalising schedules, it would be helpful to find out your community's views ASAP.
Warmest regards,
Olivier
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
participants (5)
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Joy Liddicoat -
Mary.Wong＠law.unh.edu -
Mason Cole -
Stéphane Van Gelder -
William Drake