RE: [council] FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request
So is our upcoming discussion now moot? Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request From: Margie Milam <Margie.Milam@icann.org> Date: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:36 pm To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>
FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board RequestDear Councilors, For your information and discussion at Thursday’s Council meeting, please find below the Rec6 CWG’s response to the Board related to the CWG Rec6 Report. Best Regards, Margie __________ Margie Milam Senior Policy Counselor ICANN __________ _____________________________________________ From: Gomes, Chuck Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 6:16 PM To: 'Peter Dengate Thrush'; John Jeffrey Cc: Kurt Pritz; Cheryl Langdon-Orr; Frank March; Heather.Dryden Dryden Subject: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request
Peter, Please find attached and copied below the New gTLD Recommendation 6 Community Working Group (Rec6 CWG) response to the request from the ICANN Board in its 10 December 2010 meeting in Cartagena. Chuck Gomes, Co-Chair, Rec6 CWG 3108 Ponte Morino Drive, Suite 117, Cameron Park , CA 95682 Office: +1 530 676-1100; Mobile: +1 703 362-8753 “This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify sender immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission.” 7 January 2011 Mr. Peter Dengate-Thrush Chairman ICANN Board of Directors cc: John Jeffrey, ICANN Secretary Re: Rec6 CWG Revised Recommendations and Clarifications Dear Peter: This correspondence is a formal response to the ICANN Board’s Cartagena Resolution (2010.12.10.21) requesting that the Rec6 CWG provides its final written proposal with regard to three specific issues by 7 January 2011. The Rec6 CWG hereby submits the following clarifications for the Board’s consideration. Note that the three areas for which clarification was requested in the Board motion are shown in bold font followed by the CWG responses in normal font. In addition, the CWG added a fourth area of comments at the end that also has a header in bold font and is submitted for possible Board consideration. (1) The Roles of the Board, GAC, and ALAC in the Objection Process With regard to the first issue (the roles of the Board, GAC, and ALAC in the objection process), we need to provide clarification regarding the circumstances under which the CWG suggests that the Board would vote regarding an application that is subject to a Rec6 Objection: - clarify the circumstances under which the Board would vote with regard to an Rec6 objection and/or with gTLD applications generally, Based on the written responses to the pre-Cartagena questions from the ICANN staff, as well as the various discussions during the Cartagena meeting, the CWG has recommended that the Board would have to specifically approve any recommendations from third party experts to reject a TLD application based on a Recommendation 6 objection. The CWG has not suggested, however, that the Board be required to take a vote on specific Recommendation 6 objections where the third party experts reject such an objection. Nor did the CWG suggest that the Board be required to approve every new gTLD string. and - if there is consensus on it, clarify the intended role of the expert panel (i.e., dispute resolution provider, mediator, advisor or other). A consensus of the CWG recommended that the ICANN Board may "contract appropriate expert resources capable of providing objective advice." The CWG did not recommend that the Board should be a trier of fact or should hear in the first instance every Rec6 objection with a requirement that it should make a determination on the merits in every case. The CWG did not reach consensus over the actual form or weight of the expert advice (e.g., whether the expert panel should be a dispute resolution provider, mediator or advisor). Some members of the CWG take a broader definition of dispute resolution panel than others. Some members think that the experts should not hear from the objector and the applicant at all – whether in a trial setting or written advocacy – others disagree and support an adversarial process. There was Strong Support, but not Consensus, that the experts should be able to look at the context of the application or applicant in evaluating a Recommendation 6 objection – others disagree and believe that the experts should conduct their analysis on the basis of only the string. While the CWG did not reach consensus on these issues, it did explicitly remove all reference to the specific term "dispute resolution" in its recommendations, and made no requirement that the experts engage in an adversarial process between applicant and objector. Furthermore, the CWG did achieve Strong Support (though not Consensus) for not calling the evaluation process one of "dispute resolution," and requiring that the experts' skills be in legal interpretation of instruments of international law. (2) The Incitement to Discrimination Criterion With regard to the incitement to discrimination criterion, we need to confirm the specific language revisions the CWG requests with regard to the “incitement to or promotion of” portion of the criterion. After the discussion in Cartagena, does the CWG continue to request that the standard be “incitement and instigation” or is some other language preferable? In addition, the CWG could also state whether it still believes that the standard should be expanded to include the list of additional discrimination grounds that were referenced in the CWG Report:-
· CWG to confirm the specific language requested with regard to the “incitement to or promotion of” term in the original standard. After the discussion in Cartagena, does the CWG continue to request that the term be “incitement and instigation” or is some other language preferable? In its report dated 21 September, 2010, the CWG recommended that "incitement and instigation" be used in the criteria for discrimination. In ICANN's explanatory memorandum on this issue dated 12 November 2010, it provided a rationale of why "incitement to or promotion of" is a more appropriate standard. Based on the ICANN response, the discussions in Cartagena during which several CWG members stated that they no longer agree with the recommendation, and some admitted confusion over the legal impact of the word choice; we recognize that these terms may have well-defined, but possibly varied meanings in different courts. Overall, however, these are terms that are widely used in the international law and international criminal law context. The substantive difference between ‘incitement to and promotion of’ and ‘incitement and instigation’ concerns the bar that we wish to set; in the first instance this bar is lower, whilst in the second the bar is substantially higher. The CWG may no longer have a consensus on this issue. As such, expert clarification should be made to the Board on the varying interpretations of the different criteria. With that said, many members of the CWG still argue that a higher standard than "incitement to or promotion of" would be appropriate. · the CWG needs to reiterate consensus on the standard including an expanded list of additional discrimination grounds that were referenced in the CWG Report. Two consensus recommendations of the CWG were to extend the list of potential discriminations also to include discrimination based on age, disability, actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity, or political or other opinion. The CWG also suggested by a full consensus that such discriminations must rise to the level of violating generally accepted legal norms recognized under "principles of international law." As such, any additional discriminations listed in the second prong still must be found to be in violation of principles of international law. We do not believe that recognizing additional discriminations would significantly broaden the types of objections brought. The CWG does not believe that any additional research needs to be conducted on whether such additional classes are protected under international law today. It has been brought to the CWG's attention that these additional discriminations have some protection under international law. If they are recognized today, then the Board and the experts would rely on them. If they are not at that level yet, then they won't. Importantly, such additional discriminations might become more recognized at some future date and the process should be fluid enough to take them into account at such time. The suggestion in Cartagena of a catch-all discrimination criteria – such as "any other discriminations that are generally recognized under international law" – seems to be acceptable to many of the CWG members. Other CWG members prefer listing all of the discriminations suggested by the CWG, or only the catch-all criteria, thereby avoiding a sense of prioritization among discriminations. (3) The Fees for GAC and ALAC-instigated Objections With regard to the fees for GAC and ALAC-instigated objections, we need to identify what (if any) fees should be charged and where the funds should come from, and any other restrictions or additional steps that the CWG suggests for dealing with GAC and ALAC-instigated objection:-
· what fees should be paid by ALAC and GAC (if filing and dispute resolution fees are waived, are the number of free objections limited) · by what process is an ALAC and GAC objection formed and approved? A full consensus of the CWG recommended that fees be lowered or removed for objections from the GAC or ALAC. It is the CWG’s sentiment that ICANN should provide the ACs appropriate funding for such objections if there is a cost to object. In the CWG clarifying document filed just prior to the Cartagena meeting, the CWG felt that it was outside its scope to comment on the process for the GAC or ALAC to lodge objections. The CWG assumed that any Rec6 objections put forth by the GAC or ALAC would be approved according to their own internal processes, taking into account accountability and transparency principles and consensus-based decision making. In addition to the above use of the "Community Objection" process by the ALAC and GAC and assuming that the Independent Objector (IO) function is maintained in the processing of new gTLD Applications, then an alternate pathway for AC objections to be considered would be for the IO to take up such formally prepared objections from the ALAC and/or GAC and subject them to the same standards of check and balances, and transparency and accountability criteria, as any other IO instigated objection process as if they were self instigated by an AC. (4) Other CWG Recommendations Not Specified by the Board The CWG would like to make another recommendation related to the IO mentioned above, although the support of which has not been subject to a formal call of its members. It is a key principle that the IO should operate in a transparent and accountable manner, and that appropriate safeguards are in place to ensure that it operates in the public interest. For example, the IO should facilitate legitimate Recommendation 6 objections, and neither trigger nor create objections entirely on its own that cannot be traced back to any party. At a minimum, there should be at least one party that has claimed publicly that it would be harmed by the creation of a TLD before the IO can object to it in an effort to reject such an application. The IO is not meant to facilitate secret objections, but should operate with transparency. The IO should be a tool for those who cannot maneuver the difficult objection procedures or for those who are not in a position to fund such objections, rather than an opaque means to kill a proposed-TLD that otherwise isn’t subject to public objection. Finally, CWG Recommendation 1.2 suggested that ICANN change the name of a Recommendation 6 objection from “Morality and Public Order.” While the CWG did not achieve a consensus on an alternative name, we do note that the name selected in the Proposed Final Applicant Guidebook – “Limited Public Interest Objection” was not polled by the CWG and “Public Interest Objections” was ranked only third of five names polled. Sincerely, Rec6 Community Working Group
I don't think so. The response by the cWG may or may not be the response from the GNSO community. Again, this is indicative of the larger issue we started to discuss as to the operations and role of a cross working group. I am a little puzzled as to why there was direct communication from the working group to the board and vice versa that did not involve the community. I think a message should be delivered that the work of the cwg, while valuable and certainly commendable is just the work of individuals until such time it is approved by the communities those individuals may be from. I look forward to discussing this meta issue in the weeks to come. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 02:30 PM To: Margie.Milam@icann.org <Margie.Milam@icann.org> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request So is our upcoming discussion now moot? Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request From: Margie Milam Date: Tue, January 11, 2011 12:36 pm To: "council@gnso.icann.org"
FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board RequestDear Councilors,
For your information and discussion at Thursday’s Council meeting, please find below the Rec6 CWG’s response to the Board related to the CWG Rec6 Report.
Best Regards,
Margie __________
Margie Milam Senior Policy Counselor ICANN __________ _____________________________________________ From: Gomes, Chuck Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 6:16 PM To: 'Peter Dengate Thrush'; John Jeffrey Cc: Kurt Pritz; Cheryl Langdon-Orr; Frank March; Heather.Dryden Dryden Subject: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request
Peter, Please find attached and copied below the New gTLD Recommendation 6 Community Working Group (Rec6 CWG) response to the request from the ICANN Board in its 10 December 2010 meeting in Cartagena. Chuck Gomes, Co-Chair, Rec6 CWG 3108 Ponte Morino Drive, Suite 117, Cameron Park , CA 95682 Office: +1 530 676-1100; Mobile: +1 703 362-8753 “This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify sender immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission.” 7 January 2011 Mr. Peter Dengate-Thrush Chairman ICANN Board of Directors cc: John Jeffrey, ICANN Secretary Re: Rec6 CWG Revised Recommendations and Clarifications Dear Peter: This correspondence is a formal response to the ICANN Board’s Cartagena Resolution (2010.12.10.21) requesting that the Rec6 CWG provides its final written proposal with regard to three specific issues by 7 January 2011. The Rec6 CWG hereby submits the following clarifications for the Board’s consideration. Note that the three areas for which clarification was requested in the Board motion are shown in bold font followed by the CWG responses in normal font. In addition, the CWG added a fourth area of comments at the end that also has a header in bold font and is submitted for possible Board consideration. (1) The Roles of the Board, GAC, and ALAC in the Objection Process With regard to the first issue (the roles of the Board, GAC, and ALAC in the objection process), we need to provide clarification regarding the circumstances under which the CWG suggests that the Board would vote regarding an application that is subject to a Rec6 Objection: - clarify the circumstances under which the Board would vote with regard to an Rec6 objection and/or with gTLD applications generally, Based on the written responses to the pre-Cartagena questions from the ICANN staff, as well as the various discussions during the Cartagena meeting, the CWG has recommended that the Board would have to specifically approve any recommendations from third party experts to reject a TLD application based on a Recommendation 6 objection. The CWG has not suggested, however, that the Board be required to take a vote on specific Recommendation 6 objections where the third party experts reject such an objection. Nor did the CWG suggest that the Board be required to approve every new gTLD string. and - if there is consensus on it, clarify the intended role of the expert panel (i.e., dispute resolution provider, mediator, advisor or other). A consensus of the CWG recommended that the ICANN Board may "contract appropriate expert resources capable of providing objective advice." The CWG did not recommend that the Board should be a trier of fact or should hear in the first instance every Rec6 objection with a requirement that it should make a determination on the merits in every case. The CWG did not reach consensus over the actual form or weight of the expert advice (e.g., whether the expert panel should be a dispute resolution provider, mediator or advisor). Some members of the CWG take a broader definition of dispute resolution panel than others. Some members think that the experts should not hear from the objector and the applicant at all – whether in a trial setting or written advocacy – others disagree and support an adversarial process. There was Strong Support, but not Consensus, that the experts should be able to look at the context of the application or applicant in evaluating a Recommendation 6 objection – others disagree and believe that the experts should conduct their analysis on the basis of only the string. While the CWG did not reach consensus on these issues, it did explicitly remove all reference to the specific term "dispute resolution" in its recommendations, and made no requirement that the experts engage in an adversarial process between applicant and objector. Furthermore, the CWG did achieve Strong Support (though not Consensus) for not calling the evaluation process one of "dispute resolution," and requiring that the experts' skills be in legal interpretation of instruments of international law. (2) The Incitement to Discrimination Criterion With regard to the incitement to discrimination criterion, we need to confirm the specific language revisions the CWG requests with regard to the “incitement to or promotion of” portion of the criterion. After the discussion in Cartagena, does the CWG continue to request that the standard be “incitement and instigation” or is some other language preferable? In addition, the CWG could also state whether it still believes that the standard should be expanded to include the list of additional discrimination grounds that were referenced in the CWG Report:-
· CWG to confirm the specific language requested with regard to the “incitement to or promotion of” term in the original standard. After the discussion in Cartagena, does the CWG continue to request that the term be “incitement and instigation” or is some other language preferable? In its report dated 21 September, 2010, the CWG recommended that "incitement and instigation" be used in the criteria for discrimination. In ICANN's explanatory memorandum on this issue dated 12 November 2010, it provided a rationale of why "incitement to or promotion of" is a more appropriate standard. Based on the ICANN response, the discussions in Cartagena during which several CWG members stated that they no longer agree with the recommendation, and some admitted confusion over the legal impact of the word choice; we recognize that these terms may have well-defined, but possibly varied meanings in different courts. Overall, however, these are terms that are widely used in the international law and international criminal law context. The substantive difference between ‘incitement to and promotion of’ and ‘incitement and instigation’ concerns the bar that we wish to set; in the first instance this bar is lower, whilst in the second the bar is substantially higher. The CWG may no longer have a consensus on this issue. As such, expert clarification should be made to the Board on the varying interpretations of the different criteria. With that said, many members of the CWG still argue that a higher standard than "incitement to or promotion of" would be appropriate.
· the CWG needs to reiterate consensus on the standard including an expanded list of additional discrimination grounds that were referenced in the CWG Report. Two consensus recommendations of the CWG were to extend the list of potential discriminations also to include discrimination based on age, disability, actual or perceived sexual orientation or gender identity, or political or other opinion. The CWG also suggested by a full consensus that such discriminations must rise to the level of violating generally accepted legal norms recognized under "principles of international law." As such, any additional discriminations listed in the second prong still must be found to be in violation of principles of international law. We do not believe that recognizing additional discriminations would significantly broaden the types of objections brought. The CWG does not believe that any additional research needs to be conducted on whether such additional classes are protected under international law today. It has been brought to the CWG's attention that these additional discriminations have some protection under international law. If they are recognized today, then the Board and the experts would rely on them. If they are not at that level yet, then they won't. Importantly, such additional discriminations might become more recognized at some future date and the process should be fluid enough to take them into account at such time. The suggestion in Cartagena of a catch-all discrimination criteria – such as "any other discriminations that are generally recognized under international law" – seems to be acceptable to many of the CWG members. Other CWG members prefer listing all of the discriminations suggested by the CWG, or only the catch-all criteria, thereby avoiding a sense of prioritization among discriminations. (3) The Fees for GAC and ALAC-instigated Objections With regard to the fees for GAC and ALAC-instigated objections, we need to identify what (if any) fees should be charged and where the funds should come from, and any other restrictions or additional steps that the CWG suggests for dealing with GAC and ALAC-instigated objection:-
· what fees should be paid by ALAC and GAC (if filing and dispute resolution fees are waived, are the number of free objections limited) · by what process is an ALAC and GAC objection formed and approved? A full consensus of the CWG recommended that fees be lowered or removed for objections from the GAC or ALAC. It is the CWG’s sentiment that ICANN should provide the ACs appropriate funding for such objections if there is a cost to object. In the CWG clarifying document filed just prior to the Cartagena meeting, the CWG felt that it was outside its scope to comment on the process for the GAC or ALAC to lodge objections. The CWG assumed that any Rec6 objections put forth by the GAC or ALAC would be approved according to their own internal processes, taking into account accountability and transparency principles and consensus-based decision making. In addition to the above use of the "Community Objection" process by the ALAC and GAC and assuming that the Independent Objector (IO) function is maintained in the processing of new gTLD Applications, then an alternate pathway for AC objections to be considered would be for the IO to take up such formally prepared objections from the ALAC and/or GAC and subject them to the same standards of check and balances, and transparency and accountability criteria, as any other IO instigated objection process as if they were self instigated by an AC. (4) Other CWG Recommendations Not Specified by the Board The CWG would like to make another recommendation related to the IO mentioned above, although the support of which has not been subject to a formal call of its members. It is a key principle that the IO should operate in a transparent and accountable manner, and that appropriate safeguards are in place to ensure that it operates in the public interest. For example, the IO should facilitate legitimate Recommendation 6 objections, and neither trigger nor create objections entirely on its own that cannot be traced back to any party. At a minimum, there should be at least one party that has claimed publicly that it would be harmed by the creation of a TLD before the IO can object to it in an effort to reject such an application. The IO is not meant to facilitate secret objections, but should operate with transparency. The IO should be a tool for those who cannot maneuver the difficult objection procedures or for those who are not in a position to fund such objections, rather than an opaque means to kill a proposed-TLD that otherwise isn’t subject to public objection. Finally, CWG Recommendation 1.2 suggested that ICANN change the name of a Recommendation 6 objection from “Morality and Public Order.” While the CWG did not achieve a consensus on an alternative name, we do note that the name selected in the Proposed Final Applicant Guidebook – “Limited Public Interest Objection” was not polled by the CWG and “Public Interest Objections” was ranked only third of five names polled. Sincerely, Rec6 Community Working Group
Hello Jeff,
I am a little puzzled as to why there was direct communication from the working group to the board and vice versa that did not involve the community
There was a bit of both at Cartagena actually. There was a public session which I think I chaired, and also a chance given to the working group members to explain their positions to a few Board members (certainly not a quorum of Board members). The Board asked as a follow up to get a formal response following Cartagena on any revised position. Any feedback from the Council would be most welcome - especially as input into the GAC/ICANN Board meeting in late Feb 2011. Regards, Bruce Tonkin
I think the point is that the Board should have directed the clarification questions to the gnso and alac communities to get the responses and not a working group of those communities. Logic would dictate that the gnso and alac would delegate the work to the working group (with oversight from the respective councils). This would ensure that when the board gets something back, it would be supported by the community and not just individuals that may not even be able to represent their own companies, much less their constituencies or stake-holder groups. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Tonkin [mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 05:01 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] FW: Rec6 CWG Response to the Board Request Hello Jeff,
I am a little puzzled as to why there was direct communication from the working group to the board and vice versa that did not involve the community
There was a bit of both at Cartagena actually. There was a public session which I think I chaired, and also a chance given to the working group members to explain their positions to a few Board members (certainly not a quorum of Board members). The Board asked as a follow up to get a formal response following Cartagena on any revised position. Any feedback from the Council would be most welcome - especially as input into the GAC/ICANN Board meeting in late Feb 2011. Regards, Bruce Tonkin
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