RE: [council] Regarding individual users
they are dependent on the GNSO and its council as the only voice they have in order to get a fair deal from ICANN and its contracted parties.
Avri, not disagreeing with your comments below in general. But felt it necessary to point out that registrants as a class have the most powerful voice of all in getting a fair deal from contracted parties - at least registrars. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [council] Regarding individual users From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Date: Fri, December 26, 2008 10:40 am To: Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au> Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Hi, On 26 Dec 2008, at 05:21, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
I note that individual commercial Internet users also are quite diverse in their interests in domain names - ranging from those that are not domain name registrants and merely use the Internet for communication with suppliers, to those that actively maintain a portfolio of second level domains that either appreciate in capital value or earn money through advertising.
While I have not seen figures and it would be interesting to see such figures, I assume a much larger group (at least larger then the portfolio holder category) of Commercial interest are the Registrants whose small or single proprietor businesses depend on the outreach, advertising and information distribution gained through use of heir web sites. And while the outreach of the GNSO into the non-registrant user community has been prescribed, I still think the GNSO needs to make sure that we care for the interests of all registrants, commercial and non-commercial, as a special class, as they are dependent on the GNSO and its council as the only voice they have in order to get a fair deal from ICANN and its contracted parties. I am hoping we don't forget these two categories of registrants while making a further outreach to non-registrant users as these registrants remain unrepresented for the most part (despite a few individuals who are represented). a.
Tim, As an elected representative of commercial registrants, I don't see much if any evidence of having a "powerful voice in getting a fair deal from registrars" -- particularly with respect to the RAA and WHOIS issues. Instead, the registrars have negotiated with Staff on the RAA and largely ignored the voices of registrants, and they have taken a position simply that WHOIS is fine and should never be discussed again. I fail to see how either position respects the voices of any substantial group of registrants. If I am missing something, please enlighten me. Thanks, Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:48 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] Regarding individual users
they are dependent on the GNSO and its council as the only voice they have in order to get a fair deal from ICANN and its contracted parties.
Avri, not disagreeing with your comments below in general. But felt it necessary to point out that registrants as a class have the most powerful voice of all in getting a fair deal from contracted parties - at least registrars. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [council] Regarding individual users From: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Date: Fri, December 26, 2008 10:40 am To: Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au> Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Hi, On 26 Dec 2008, at 05:21, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
I note that individual commercial Internet users also are quite diverse in their interests in domain names - ranging from those that are not domain name registrants and merely use the Internet for communication with suppliers, to those that actively maintain a portfolio of second level domains that either appreciate in capital value or earn money through advertising.
While I have not seen figures and it would be interesting to see such figures, I assume a much larger group (at least larger then the portfolio holder category) of Commercial interest are the Registrants whose small or single proprietor businesses depend on the outreach, advertising and information distribution gained through use of heir web sites. And while the outreach of the GNSO into the non-registrant user community has been prescribed, I still think the GNSO needs to make sure that we care for the interests of all registrants, commercial and non-commercial, as a special class, as they are dependent on the GNSO and its council as the only voice they have in order to get a fair deal from ICANN and its contracted parties. I am hoping we don't forget these two categories of registrants while making a further outreach to non-registrant users as these registrants remain unrepresented for the most part (despite a few individuals who are represented). a.
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