Draft minutes of the Minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting 20 July 2023
Dear Councilors, Attached, please find the draft minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting held on 20 July 2023. If there are no comments, these minutes will be published on the website as approved, according to the GNSO Rules of Procedure <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_counc...> section 3.5 "If no objections are received within 10 days, the minutes will be deemed to have been approved for posting" on 06 August 2023 Thank you. Kind Regards, Devan
Hi Devan, Here are some suggested amendments for consideration: *Item 5: ODP and ODA Liaison & Small Team Survey Feedback* 1. I thought ICANN org (I think it was Caitlin who) mentioned that community input will be sought on the survey results as part of org's onward action in applying the results to update the CPIF. So, I wonder if we could amend the Action Item to say, "Staff to confirm with GNSO Council leadership that they can convey the survey results to GDS or whether further input is expected from Council *prior to any subsequent community input being sought.*" *Item 7: IGO Curative Rights IRT et al* 2. Just to amend the Action Item, "GNSO Council Chair to confirm....." *Item 8: IDNs EPDP Timeline* 3. Para 1, "Donna Austin, IDNs EPDP Chair, shared that based on progress made, the IDNs *EPDP* team has reviewed....... Phase 2 will not be reorganized to discuss items identified to impact the Applicant Guidebook (AGB) and registry agreement, as if *the* IDNs *EPDP team* did that, they could potentially .......slides." 4. Para 6 isn't very clear in its meaning. May I suggest that it be amended to read as, "*Donna Austin, IDNs EPDP Chair*, shared that comments were received about .qu*é*bec, which is a situation where someone is applying for a TLD that is the same entity *could* *be allowed to apply for a string that they consider to be similar to another string or TLD (ergo .québec and .quebec)* but *which* is not consistent with the Root Zone Label Generation Rules *determines are not variants of each other*. IDNs EPDP could take ....... consideration." Many thanks, Justine On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 21:23, Devan Reed via council <council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Dear Councilors,
Attached, please find the draft minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting held on 20 July 2023.
If there are no comments, these minutes will be published on the website as approved, according to the GNSO Rules of Procedure <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_counc...> section 3.5 "If no objections are received within 10 days, the minutes will be deemed to have been approved for posting" on *06 August 2023*
Thank you.
Kind Regards,
Devan
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Hi Justine, Thank you so much for your speedy and thorough feedback! The minutes will be updated. Kindest regards, Devan From: Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann@gmail.com> Date: Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:27 AM To: Devan Reed <devan.reed@icann.org> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org>, "gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [council] Draft minutes of the Minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting 20 July 2023 Hi Devan, Here are some suggested amendments for consideration: Item 5: ODP and ODA Liaison & Small Team Survey Feedback 1. I thought ICANN org (I think it was Caitlin who) mentioned that community input will be sought on the survey results as part of org's onward action in applying the results to update the CPIF. So, I wonder if we could amend the Action Item to say, "Staff to confirm with GNSO Council leadership that they can convey the survey results to GDS or whether further input is expected from Council prior to any subsequent community input being sought." Item 7: IGO Curative Rights IRT et al 2. Just to amend the Action Item, "GNSO Council Chair to confirm....." Item 8: IDNs EPDP Timeline 3. Para 1, "Donna Austin, IDNs EPDP Chair, shared that based on progress made, the IDNs EPDP team has reviewed....... Phase 2 will not be reorganized to discuss items identified to impact the Applicant Guidebook (AGB) and registry agreement, as if the IDNs EPDP team did that, they could potentially .......slides." 4. Para 6 isn't very clear in its meaning. May I suggest that it be amended to read as, "Donna Austin, IDNs EPDP Chair, shared that comments were received about .québec, which is a situation where someone is applying for a TLD that is the same entity could be allowed to apply for a string that they consider to be similar to another string or TLD (ergo .québec and .quebec) but which is not consistent with the Root Zone Label Generation Rules determines are not variants of each other. IDNs EPDP could take ....... consideration." Many thanks, Justine On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 at 21:23, Devan Reed via council <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Dear Councilors, Attached, please find the draft minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting held on 20 July 2023. If there are no comments, these minutes will be published on the website as approved, according to the GNSO Rules of Procedure <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_counc...> section 3.5 "If no objections are received within 10 days, the minutes will be deemed to have been approved for posting" on 06 August 2023 Thank you. Kind Regards, Devan _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Hi Devan Thanks for circulating the draft Minutes. I had a few suggested amendments for consideration: Title: this should be 20 July, not June please Item 4: COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Accuracy Para 4: I think in Kurt's first intervention, he suggested that the first task of the small team should be to consider whether to issue such a response or not, having consulted some of those with expertise. Perhaps we could amend to something along the following lines: Kurt Pritz, RySG, asked to pause and consider unintended consequences of such a communication before proceeding to drafting. Suggested that the first task for the small team should be to consider this, and to consult some of those who have experience working in the arena. Para 8: Jeffrey Neuman, GNSO Liaison to the GAC, shared that the European Commission is a member of the GAC, and if Council goes around the GAC it may imply that GNSO Council is going outside of the system around the GAC, and could be perceived (unintentionally) as the GNSO criticising the EC GAC Rep. He suggested communicating with the governments via GAC and potentially the Board. Item 8: IDNs I think that the minutes need some expansion, particularly reflecting the fuller response from Donna to my question, since this gives a significantly different impression of what the chair of this WG said. Para 2: Susan Payne, IPC, thanked the IDNs EPDP group for their work and appreciates the timeline will be shorter than originally anticipated. She asked why Phase 2 items are dependencies for the next round as most of them appear to apply to both future Top-Level Domains (TLDs) and existing TLDs. As such, isn't this just like any other policy change that applies to all TLDs, where some existing TLDs will have to change what they do to comply with the new policy? Para 3: Donna Austin, IDNs EPDP Chair, thanked Susan Payne, IPC, for her question and explained that initially, the IDNs EPDP charter was split into two phases because the team considered Phase 1 to be the priority work regarding SubPro. Regarding Phase 2, this is a trickier question. The second level issues are consensus policy and going to impact everyone, not just new applicants, but what is trying to be addressed is to have it would be ideal if any new requirements can be captured within the application itself or made a requirement for a new registry operator. It probably makes sense that the applicant guidebook is as complete as it can be so that those second-level issues are captured as well. But I take your point that the phase two stuff is going to impact every registry operator that is operating an IDN. I don't have an argument one way or the other. Item 9: AOB I think it would be helpful to number the item from Anne Aikman-Scalese "9.3 - Other" since it is a different topic, not Closed Generics. Regarding the text: Anne Aikman-Scalese, NCA, shared that herself and Susan Payne, IPC, in their capacities as SubPro IRT Liaisons, anticipate bringing a discussion to the next Council meeting regarding their roles in the SubPro IRT with respect to forming a small team in relation to the Standing Predictability Implementation Review Team (SPIRT) charter to the next Council meeting. Thanks Susan Payne Head of Legal Policy Com Laude T +44 (0) 20 7421 8250 Ext 255 [cid:image001.png@01D9C556.81B878B0]<https://comlaude.com/> We are pleased to launch our new YouTube channel<https://t-uk.xink.io/Tracking/Index/bhkAAGVfAADw_RQA0> From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Devan Reed via council Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 2:15 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [council] Draft minutes of the Minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting 20 July 2023 Dear Councilors, Attached, please find the draft minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting held on 20 July 2023. If there are no comments, these minutes will be published on the website as approved, according to the GNSO Rules of Procedure <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_counc...> section 3.5 "If no objections are received within 10 days, the minutes will be deemed to have been approved for posting" on 06 August 2023 Thank you. 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Thanks Susan. One edit for Item 9 - Agree with Susan's suggestion with one slight change - change "herself and Susan Payne" to "she and Susan Payne". Thank you! Anne Anne Aikman-Scalese GNSO Councilor NomCom Non-Voting 2022-2024 anneicanngnso@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 10:16 AM Susan Payne via council < council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Hi Devan
Thanks for circulating the draft Minutes. I had a few suggested amendments for consideration:
*Title*: this should be 20 July, not June please
*Item 4: COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Accuracy*
Para 4: I think in Kurt’s first intervention, he suggested that the first task of the small team should be to consider whether to issue such a response or not, having consulted some of those with expertise. Perhaps we could amend to something along the following lines:
*Kurt Pritz, RySG, *asked to pause and consider unintended consequences of such a communication *before proceeding to drafting. Suggested that the first task for the small team should be to consider this, and to consult some of* those who have experience working in the arena.
Para 8: *Jeffrey Neuman, GNSO *Liaison to the GAC, shared that the European Commission is a member of the GAC, and if Council goes around the GAC it may imply that GNSO Council is going outside of the system around the GAC, *and could be perceived (unintentionally) as the GNSO criticising the EC GAC Rep*. He suggested communicating with the governments via GAC and potentially the Board.
*Item 8: IDNs*
I think that the minutes need some expansion, particularly reflecting the fuller response from Donna to my question, since this gives a significantly different impression of what the chair of this WG said.
Para 2: *Susan Payne, IPC, *thanked the IDNs EPDP group for their work and appreciates the timeline will be shorter than originally anticipated. She asked why Phase 2 items are dependencies *for the next round* as *most* of them appear to apply to both future Top-Level Domains (TLDs) and existing TLDs. *As such, isn’t this just like any other policy change that applies to all TLDs, where some existing TLDs will have to change what they do to comply with the new policy?*
Para 3:* Donna Austin, IDNs EPDP Chair, *thanked Susan Payne, IPC, for her question and explained that initially, the IDNs EPDP charter was split into two phases because the team considered Phase 1 to be the priority work regarding SubPro. Regarding Phase 2, *this is a trickier question. The second level issues are consensus policy and going to impact everyone, not just new applicants, but what is trying to be addressed is to have *it would be ideal if any new requirements can be captured within the application itself or *made* a requirement for a new registry operator*.** It probably makes sense that the applicant guidebook is as complete as it can be so that those second-level issues are captured as well. But I take your point that the phase two stuff is going to impact every registry operator that is operating an IDN. I don't have an argument one way or the other.*
*Item 9: AOB*
I think it would be helpful to number the item from Anne Aikman-Scalese “9.3 – Other” since it is a different topic, not Closed Generics.
Regarding the text: *Anne Aikman-Scalese, NCA,* shared that herself and Susan Payne, IPC, *in their capacities as SubPro IRT Liaisons*, anticipate bringing a discussion *to the next Council meeting* regarding their roles in the SubPro IRT with respect to forming a small team in relation to the Standing Predictability Implementation Review Team (SPIRT) charter to the next Council meeting.
Thanks
Susan Payne Head of Legal Policy Com Laude *T* +44 (0) 20 7421 8250 *Ext* 255
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*From:* council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Devan Reed via council *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2023 2:15 PM *To:* council@gnso.icann.org *Cc:* gnso-secs@icann.org *Subject:* [council] Draft minutes of the Minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting 20 July 2023
Dear Councilors,
Attached, please find the draft minutes of the GNSO Council Meeting held on 20 July 2023.
If there are no comments, these minutes will be published on the website as approved, according to the GNSO Rules of Procedure <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_counc...> section 3.5 "If no objections are received within 10 days, the minutes will be deemed to have been approved for posting" on *06 August 2023*
Thank you.
Kind Regards,
Devan
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