RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Kristina, Are you otherwise okay with the paper ballot process Avri describes? Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:59 am To: "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> How is this different? I don't recall that we took a vote to use email balloting each time that we did so. The fact that we are voting on persons - not policies - makes it even more important that Councilors have the opportunity to cast their votes privately. I disagree with your suggestion. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:51 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate Hi, I think this is somewhat different. I would like to propose a solution that relies on our normal process of taking a vote anytime we decide to make something secret. So I would like to suggest that we take a vote on making the ballot a secret ballot. We can do this after having voted on the Council Procedures and before stating the discussions on the election. By those, as of yet not approved procedures, this would require a majority vote of each house of those present. In the meantime we will also ask staff to prepare paper ballots to be used if secret balloting prevailed. Different ballots (different color paper) for each of the houses. ballot for the first ballot: Name of Candidate from CP House Name of Candidate from NCP House None of the above ballot for the 2nd round* Candidate who had greatest total percentage in the first round (don't need name) None of the above - Those who are absent could send their votes to a trusted staff person (or other trusted attendee - e.g. we could ask the Nomcom chair to act in this capacity) who would transfer them to ballots and put them in the ballot box with the others. Would this work for people? a. * in the odd even that we have an equal total percentage for each candidate, we should postpone the second round until each candidate has had a chance to discuss their positions further with the council and then another round would be identical to the first round. On 15 Oct 2009, at 16:46, Rosette, Kristina wrote:
Given that we have always taken the position that a vote can be a roll call vote (as opposed to one by acclamation) on the request of one Councilor, my request for a secret ballot should be sufficient.
If it's not secret, I will not vote. Period.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner- council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Hi,
Don't know. Worth checking. Though the system may have to be reworked for the bi-cameral nature of the vote.
We can certainly do paper ballots where one indicates not only their vote but their House.
Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
a.
On 15 Oct 2009, at 15:46, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
Is there any reason why we couldn't hold a live email election? I don't know the limitations of the election software.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:25 AM To: avri@psg.com; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
To my recollection, none of our previous elections while I have been on Council have been public. I thought I'd missed the rationale for holding it publicly. I've gone back and reviewed the messages I could find, but haven't seen one. I had thought we would be voting privately in the week beforehand with the results announced at the meeting.
I object to our having to hold the election as a roll call vote. I believe all Councilors should be permitted to cast votes privately. Casting open ballots will not be conducive to the improved working relationship that many of us have articulated a desire to develop. Moreover, given that I have found the environment at ICANN meetings generally (including public Council meetings) to be hostile, I believe casting those votes publicly is more likely than not to exacerbate that problem.
In sum, I want to vote privately as we've done in the past and have the results announced at the Council meeting. Doing so has the extra benefit of having a definitive result at the Council meeting (assuming there is a clear winner); no delay from absentee balloting will occur.
K
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----- Original Message ----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org> To: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Thu Oct 15 03:23:01 2009 Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Hi,
I wanted to ad a few more details to this part of the process.
On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:01, Glen de Saint Géry wrote:
B. PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR THE VOTING
For this election, the voting will take place at the public Council meeting in Seoul on Wednesday, 28 October 2009.
Avri Doria, current GNSO Council chair, will serve as non-voting chair of the bicameral Council meeting on 28 October until such time as a new chair is elected, at which time the new chair will assume the chair responsibilities.
If an absentee ballot is required to complete the chair's election, this will be a 24 hour ballot scheduled to end on 29 October. If no chair has been elected by the end of the Annual meeting on 30 October, the vice-chairs will assume the chair responsibilities as defined in the Bylaws and a runoff will be scheduled as determined in the Council Procedures.
The winning candidate needs 60% of the votes of each house.
The Council shall inform the Board and the Community appropriately and post the election results on the GNSO website within 2 business days following the election.
In the event that the GNSO Council has not elected a GNSO Council Chair by the end of the previous Chair's term, the Vice-Chairs will serve as Interim GNSO Co-Chairs until a successful election can be held.
Since this election will be done in the meeting, I am planning to hold it as an open vote via a roll call. This will be the second major item on the agenda, after a vote on any amendments to the proposed Operating Procedures the new Operating Procedures as possibly amended.
I am hoping that all of the council members will be available for the vote, either in person or via remote communications, so that the election can be completed on the Wednesday, even if it needs to go to two rounds. If we do not have everyone available for the call, then we will need to go a 24 hour absentee ballot on each round. This means that the first round would not end until Thursday morning. If necessary we could schedule a second round for Thursday, though we would then need to allow for voting at the Thursday meeting, which would be an exception to our normal practice. In this case a second absentee ballot would end on Friday afternoon. In any case, the goal is to enable the election of the new chair, if at all possible, by the end of the Seoul meeting.
As I said, I am hoping we can avoid needing to do an absentee ballot so I hope that any council member who cannot attend the meeting can participate remote in al least the first part of the Wednesday meeting.
Assuming we have a different candidate from each House, each council member polled would in turn be able to vote for:
Candidate chosen by Contracted Parties House (CP House or, Candidate chosen by Non Contracted Parties House (NCP House) or, None of the above
(In the case of a single candidate chosen by both Houses, the vote would resemble the second round procedure below)
The votes would be tabulated separately according to House, though the roll will be called alphabetically.
To succeed a candidate needs 60% or each house. This means 5 out of 7 votes for the CP House and 8 out of 13 votes for the NCP House.
- If either the CP House candidate or NCP House candidate get 60% of each House, he or she will have been elected and will take over as chair of the meeting at that point.
- If 'None of the above' gets 60% of each house, then the election is halted and rescheduled for a month later. In this case the two vice- chairs will take over as interim co-chairs at the end of the week.
- If neither of the candidates (or "none of the above") gets the required 60% of each house, then a second round is called for.
Assuming every one is present on Wednesday morning, we can hold this second round vote immediately, otherwise we can hold it on Thursday.
The second roll call vote will be between:
The candidate who received the greatest combined percentage of the votes when the results of each house is summed to the other (Percentage from CP House + Percentage from NCP House) or, None of the above
If the candidate receives 60% votes of each House ( out of 7 votes for the CP House and 8 out of 13 votes for the NCP House) then that candidate has been elected and will take over as chair of the meeting at that point.
Otherwise, the election then the election is halted and rescheduled for a month later. In this case the two vice-chairs will take over as interim co-chairs at the end of the week.
I believe this process follows from the rules set for the election of chairs in the new bi-cameral council. I very much look forward to completing a successful election on Wednesday morning.
Thanks,
a.
Yes, as long as the ballots aren't formatted, tallied, etc. in a way that renders moot the private balloting. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:30 PM To: GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate Kristina, Are you otherwise okay with the paper ballot process Avri describes? Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate From: "Rosette, Kristina" <krosette@cov.com> Date: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:59 am To: "Avri Doria" <avri@acm.org>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> How is this different? I don't recall that we took a vote to use email balloting each time that we did so. The fact that we are voting on persons - not policies - makes it even more important that Councilors have the opportunity to cast their votes privately. I disagree with your suggestion. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:51 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate Hi, I think this is somewhat different. I would like to propose a solution that relies on our normal process of taking a vote anytime we decide to make something secret. So I would like to suggest that we take a vote on making the ballot a secret ballot. We can do this after having voted on the Council Procedures and before stating the discussions on the election. By those, as of yet not approved procedures, this would require a majority vote of each house of those present. In the meantime we will also ask staff to prepare paper ballots to be used if secret balloting prevailed. Different ballots (different color paper) for each of the houses. ballot for the first ballot: Name of Candidate from CP House Name of Candidate from NCP House None of the above ballot for the 2nd round* Candidate who had greatest total percentage in the first round (don't need name) None of the above - Those who are absent could send their votes to a trusted staff person (or other trusted attendee - e.g. we could ask the Nomcom chair to act in this capacity) who would transfer them to ballots and put them in the ballot box with the others. Would this work for people? a. * in the odd even that we have an equal total percentage for each candidate, we should postpone the second round until each candidate has had a chance to discuss their positions further with the council and then another round would be identical to the first round. On 15 Oct 2009, at 16:46, Rosette, Kristina wrote:
Given that we have always taken the position that a vote can be a roll call vote (as opposed to one by acclamation) on the request of one Councilor, my request for a secret ballot should be sufficient.
If it's not secret, I will not vote. Period.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner- council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Hi,
Don't know. Worth checking. Though the system may have to be reworked for the bi-cameral nature of the vote.
We can certainly do paper ballots where one indicates not only their vote but their House.
Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
a.
On 15 Oct 2009, at 15:46, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
Is there any reason why we couldn't hold a live email election? I don't know the limitations of the election software.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:25 AM To: avri@psg.com; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
To my recollection, none of our previous elections while I have been on Council have been public. I thought I'd missed the rationale for holding it publicly. I've gone back and reviewed the messages I could find, but haven't seen one. I had thought we would be voting privately in the week beforehand with the results announced at the meeting.
I object to our having to hold the election as a roll call vote. I believe all Councilors should be permitted to cast votes privately. Casting open ballots will not be conducive to the improved working relationship that many of us have articulated a desire to develop. Moreover, given that I have found the environment at ICANN meetings generally (including public Council meetings) to be hostile, I believe casting those votes publicly is more likely than not to exacerbate that problem.
In sum, I want to vote privately as we've done in the past and have the results announced at the Council meeting. Doing so has the extra benefit of having a definitive result at the Council meeting (assuming there is a clear winner); no delay from absentee balloting will occur.
K
Kristina Rosette Covington & Burling LLP 1201 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20004-2401 voice: 202-662-5173 direct fax: 202-778-5173 main fax: 202-662-6291 e-mail: krosette@cov.com
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----- Original Message ----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org> To: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Thu Oct 15 03:23:01 2009 Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Hi,
I wanted to ad a few more details to this part of the process.
On 15 Oct 2009, at 08:01, Glen de Saint Géry wrote:
B. PROPOSED SCHEDULE FOR THE VOTING
For this election, the voting will take place at the public Council meeting in Seoul on Wednesday, 28 October 2009.
Avri Doria, current GNSO Council chair, will serve as non-voting chair of the bicameral Council meeting on 28 October until such time as a new chair is elected, at which time the new chair will assume the chair responsibilities.
If an absentee ballot is required to complete the chair's election, this will be a 24 hour ballot scheduled to end on 29 October. If no chair has been elected by the end of the Annual meeting on 30 October, the vice-chairs will assume the chair responsibilities as defined in the Bylaws and a runoff will be scheduled as determined in the Council Procedures.
The winning candidate needs 60% of the votes of each house.
The Council shall inform the Board and the Community appropriately and post the election results on the GNSO website within 2 business days following the election.
In the event that the GNSO Council has not elected a GNSO Council Chair by the end of the previous Chair's term, the Vice-Chairs will serve as Interim GNSO Co-Chairs until a successful election can be held.
Since this election will be done in the meeting, I am planning to hold it as an open vote via a roll call. This will be the second major item on the agenda, after a vote on any amendments to the proposed Operating Procedures the new Operating Procedures as possibly amended.
I am hoping that all of the council members will be available for the vote, either in person or via remote communications, so that the election can be completed on the Wednesday, even if it needs to go to two rounds. If we do not have everyone available for the call, then we will need to go a 24 hour absentee ballot on each round. This means that the first round would not end until Thursday morning. If necessary we could schedule a second round for Thursday, though we would then need to allow for voting at the Thursday meeting, which would be an exception to our normal practice. In this case a second absentee ballot would end on Friday afternoon. In any case, the goal is to enable the election of the new chair, if at all possible, by the end of the Seoul meeting.
As I said, I am hoping we can avoid needing to do an absentee ballot so I hope that any council member who cannot attend the meeting can participate remote in al least the first part of the Wednesday meeting.
Assuming we have a different candidate from each House, each council member polled would in turn be able to vote for:
Candidate chosen by Contracted Parties House (CP House or, Candidate chosen by Non Contracted Parties House (NCP House) or, None of the above
(In the case of a single candidate chosen by both Houses, the vote would resemble the second round procedure below)
The votes would be tabulated separately according to House, though the roll will be called alphabetically.
To succeed a candidate needs 60% or each house. This means 5 out of 7 votes for the CP House and 8 out of 13 votes for the NCP House.
- If either the CP House candidate or NCP House candidate get 60% of each House, he or she will have been elected and will take over as chair of the meeting at that point.
- If 'None of the above' gets 60% of each house, then the election is halted and rescheduled for a month later. In this case the two vice- chairs will take over as interim co-chairs at the end of the week.
- If neither of the candidates (or "none of the above") gets the required 60% of each house, then a second round is called for.
Assuming every one is present on Wednesday morning, we can hold this second round vote immediately, otherwise we can hold it on Thursday.
The second roll call vote will be between:
The candidate who received the greatest combined percentage of the votes when the results of each house is summed to the other (Percentage from CP House + Percentage from NCP House) or, None of the above
If the candidate receives 60% votes of each House ( out of 7 votes for the CP House and 8 out of 13 votes for the NCP House) then that candidate has been elected and will take over as chair of the meeting at that point.
Otherwise, the election then the election is halted and rescheduled for a month later. In this case the two vice-chairs will take over as interim co-chairs at the end of the week.
I believe this process follows from the rules set for the election of chairs in the new bi-cameral council. I very much look forward to completing a successful election on Wednesday morning.
Thanks,
a.
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