All, As a reminder, our next scheduled teleconference is on July 20th. In the meantime, there are several action items from Prague that I'd like us to stay mindful of. I have written down the following from our Prague week: Thick WHOIS PDP Now that the .COM contract has been renewed, do we want to speed up the formation of a DT to draft a charter for the thick Whois PDP WG? WHOIS RT Final Report The Board has request input on this from the SOs and ACs by August 30th ( http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-23jun12-en.htm#5 ). How do we want to proceed? GNSO Review We have discussed two possible alternatives: drafting a request to the SIC to delay the review and creating a small group to look at this issue. What do we want to do? Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday? Welcome letter to incoming CEO It was suggested during the wrap-up that I write to Fadi to welcome him on behalf of the Council. Please see below for a proposed note I have drafted. Please voice any opposition to me sending this draft by COB Wednesday July 4. Dear Fadi, On behalf of the GNSO Council, I would like to welcome you to ICANN. Individual members of the GNSO and of the GNSO Council have said that they greatly appreciated the opportunity to meet with you informally in Prague. The GNSO Council as a whole looks forward to working with Akram Atallah as interim CEO over the next few months and with you as incoming CEO starting in October. The GNSO Council fully appreciated how difficult the task of running an organization of ICANN's complexity is. It is precisely what makes ICANN's model great - the diversity of stakeholders and interests that are all given an equal voice within that model - that also makes it so challenging. The GNSO Council remains fully committed to ICANN's bottom-up, multistakeholder model and is delighted to be able to work with you on strengthening it during your tenure as ICANN CEO. Kind regards, Stéphane Van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Lastly, I would draw your attention to the GAC Prague communiqué which Bruce sent to the Council list yesterday and which contains several pieces of advice to the Board that are either of relevance to work that the GNSO has been involved in, or topics that are also of interest to us. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
Thanks Stéphane, I have to apologize for not being able to participate in the council call on 20 July. I'll provide for a proxy with whom I'll coordinate the action items from an ISPCP point of view. Re WHOIS RT Final Report, since it was out for public comment, I think some SGs provided comments as well ACs (eg ALAC). As far as the board requested an SO statement this should come from the GNSO or the council on behalf. To my understandind this again would mean a condensed version of all comments provided by individual GNSO members and the different SGs/Cs. I wonder whether this is feasible. Re GNSO review we should create a small group at first before we decide to ask the SCI for delay. I heard Wendy volunteering and would also join the group. Re welcoming letter to Fadi I agree. Re brain storming session in Toronto I also agree for doing this over the weekend, perhaps Saturday afternoon. The open ended discussion could then continued during the council dinner. If this is agreed I'll take it into consideration in preparing for the council sessions in Toronto - and for sure, Glenn will do so, too. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 13:00 An: GNSO Council List Betreff: [council] Action items from Prague All, As a reminder, our next scheduled teleconference is on July 20th. In the meantime, there are several action items from Prague that I'd like us to stay mindful of. I have written down the following from our Prague week: Thick WHOIS PDP Now that the .COM contract has been renewed, do we want to speed up the formation of a DT to draft a charter for the thick Whois PDP WG? WHOIS RT Final Report The Board has request input on this from the SOs and ACs by August 30th ( http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-23jun12-en.htm#5 ). How do we want to proceed? GNSO Review We have discussed two possible alternatives: drafting a request to the SIC to delay the review and creating a small group to look at this issue. What do we want to do? Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday? Welcome letter to incoming CEO It was suggested during the wrap-up that I write to Fadi to welcome him on behalf of the Council. Please see below for a proposed note I have drafted. Please voice any opposition to me sending this draft by COB Wednesday July 4. Dear Fadi, On behalf of the GNSO Council, I would like to welcome you to ICANN. Individual members of the GNSO and of the GNSO Council have said that they greatly appreciated the opportunity to meet with you informally in Prague. The GNSO Council as a whole looks forward to working with Akram Atallah as interim CEO over the next few months and with you as incoming CEO starting in October. The GNSO Council fully appreciated how difficult the task of running an organization of ICANN's complexity is. It is precisely what makes ICANN's model great - the diversity of stakeholders and interests that are all given an equal voice within that model - that also makes it so challenging. The GNSO Council remains fully committed to ICANN's bottom-up, multistakeholder model and is delighted to be able to work with you on strengthening it during your tenure as ICANN CEO. Kind regards, Stéphane Van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Lastly, I would draw your attention to the GAC Prague communiqué which Bruce sent to the Council list yesterday and which contains several pieces of advice to the Board that are either of relevance to work that the GNSO has been involved in, or topics that are also of interest to us. Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday?
As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing. Bill
Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session. Could you please elaborate? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit :
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday?
As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing.
Bill
Not speaking for Bill here, but if we use some time during the weekend session for the brainstorming exercise, we will need to find time to discuss our other business. Everyone wants to do reports to the GNSO during the weekend, plus we need to make sure we prepare for the ICANN Board, GAC and ccNSO sessions during the weekend. Not sure we have time for everything if we spend the first few hours of the GNSO session brainstoring. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:17 PM To: William Drake Cc: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] Action items from Prague Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session. Could you please elaborate? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit : On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday? As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing. Bill
On 07/05/2012 09:20 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
Not speaking for Bill here, but if we use some time during the weekend session for the brainstorming exercise, we will need to find time to discuss our other business. Everyone wants to do reports to the GNSO during the weekend,
I'd love to move those reports to documents/summaries, take them as read, and skip straight to Q&A. +1 for more open time early in the work-week. --Wendy
plus we need to make sure we prepare for the ICANN Board, GAC and ccNSO sessions during the weekend. Not sure we have time for everything if we spend the first few hours of the GNSO session brainstoring.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:17 PM To: William Drake Cc: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] Action items from Prague
Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session.
Could you please elaborate?
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit :
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday?
As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing.
Bill
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
Hi Stéphane Sorry to confuse with my pidgin English, typing fast. My "would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning " was meant to convey that doing something ICANN-wide, and not just in the GNSO, would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning. That said, Jeff is of course right that if we slip in some free form dialogue at the front end then we'd have to economize on time elsewhere, and Wendy is right that slimming or skipping the reports could be a way of doing that, although perhaps that wouldn't be a universal preference… Bill On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session.
Could you please elaborate?
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit :
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday?
As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing.
Bill
Thanks for clarifying Bill. I would be in favour of the Saturday sessions in Canada starting with 60 minutes of "free speech". Yes, this does take 60 minutes away from something else, but we generally do not start until 10am on the Saturday to accommodate any late arrivals, so we could also simply move our start time up. Wolf, as meeting planner for Toronto, could you please plan for an open conversation first thing Saturday to start us off? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 17:09, William Drake a écrit :
Hi Stéphane
Sorry to confuse with my pidgin English, typing fast. My "would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning " was meant to convey that doing something ICANN-wide, and not just in the GNSO, would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning.
That said, Jeff is of course right that if we slip in some free form dialogue at the front end then we'd have to economize on time elsewhere, and Wendy is right that slimming or skipping the reports could be a way of doing that, although perhaps that wouldn't be a universal preference…
Bill
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session.
Could you please elaborate?
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit :
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday?
As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing.
Bill
9 am Saturday people may not feel particularly inspired. wouldn't it be better at the end of the day, when we have our accumulated frustrations (oh sorry, insights) to share? On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Thanks for clarifying Bill.
I would be in favour of the Saturday sessions in Canada starting with 60 minutes of "free speech". Yes, this does take 60 minutes away from something else, but we generally do not start until 10am on the Saturday to accommodate any late arrivals, so we could also simply move our start time up.
Wolf, as meeting planner for Toronto, could you please plan for an open conversation first thing Saturday to start us off?
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
Le 5 juil. 2012 à 17:09, William Drake a écrit :
Hi Stéphane
Sorry to confuse with my pidgin English, typing fast. My "would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning " was meant to convey that doing something ICANN-wide, and not just in the GNSO, would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning.
That said, Jeff is of course right that if we slip in some free form dialogue at the front end then we'd have to economize on time elsewhere, and Wendy is right that slimming or skipping the reports could be a way of doing that, although perhaps that wouldn't be a universal preference…
Bill
On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session.
Could you please elaborate?
Thanks,
Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT
Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit :
On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday?
As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing.
Bill
That was my thinking as well. Sat afternoon discussion could also be inspiring to the following council dinner... Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von William Drake Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 18:49 An: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: GNSO Council List Betreff: Re: [council] Action items from Prague 9 am Saturday people may not feel particularly inspired. wouldn't it be better at the end of the day, when we have our accumulated frustrations (oh sorry, insights) to share? On Jul 5, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Thanks for clarifying Bill. I would be in favour of the Saturday sessions in Canada starting with 60 minutes of "free speech". Yes, this does take 60 minutes away from something else, but we generally do not start until 10am on the Saturday to accommodate any late arrivals, so we could also simply move our start time up. Wolf, as meeting planner for Toronto, could you please plan for an open conversation first thing Saturday to start us off? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 17:09, William Drake a écrit : Hi Stéphane Sorry to confuse with my pidgin English, typing fast. My "would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning " was meant to convey that doing something ICANN-wide, and not just in the GNSO, would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning. That said, Jeff is of course right that if we slip in some free form dialogue at the front end then we'd have to economize on time elsewhere, and Wendy is right that slimming or skipping the reports could be a way of doing that, although perhaps that wouldn't be a universal preference... Bill On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session. Could you please elaborate? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit : On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday? As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing. Bill
Ok, it's in. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2012 18:27 An: William Drake Cc: GNSO Council List Betreff: Re: [council] Action items from Prague Thanks for clarifying Bill. I would be in favour of the Saturday sessions in Canada starting with 60 minutes of "free speech". Yes, this does take 60 minutes away from something else, but we generally do not start until 10am on the Saturday to accommodate any late arrivals, so we could also simply move our start time up. Wolf, as meeting planner for Toronto, could you please plan for an open conversation first thing Saturday to start us off? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 17:09, William Drake a écrit : Hi Stéphane Sorry to confuse with my pidgin English, typing fast. My "would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning " was meant to convey that doing something ICANN-wide, and not just in the GNSO, would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning. That said, Jeff is of course right that if we slip in some free form dialogue at the front end then we'd have to economize on time elsewhere, and Wendy is right that slimming or skipping the reports could be a way of doing that, although perhaps that wouldn't be a universal preference... Bill On Jul 5, 2012, at 1:16 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Thanks Bill. I don't understand why you suggest that Fridays would need to be reinstated for us to be able to start our work weekend with an informal discussion session. Could you please elaborate? Thanks, Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager INDOM Group NBT France ---------------- Registry Relations and Strategy Director Group NBT Le 5 juil. 2012 à 07:24, William Drake a écrit : On Jul 1, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Wrap-up and brain storming discussion Do we want to start the ICANN meeting week with a similar, open ended discussion, as the one we have during the wrap-up on Thursday? As mentioned I think the insertion of some Barcamp/unconference-like time into the agenda would benefit ICANN generally, not just GNSO, although this would probably require reinstating at least Friday morning to allow the regular meetings to get done. In the meanwhile though, yes starting the Council's week this way would be refreshing. Bill
On 07/01/2012 07:00 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
GNSO Review We have discussed two possible alternatives: drafting a request to the SIC to delay the review and creating a small group to look at this issue. What do we want to do?
I volunteer to be part of a small group discussing the review. I favor *advancing* rather than delaying the review, as well as helping the SIC to frame it to address the challenges and barriers to consensus-building that stem from our current siloed structure. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
I am happy to join Wendy as apart of the small group as well. Best, Brian Brian J. Winterfeldt Partner bwinterfeldt@steptoe.com Steptoe -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 6:34 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] Action items from Prague / GNSO Review On 07/01/2012 07:00 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
GNSO Review We have discussed two possible alternatives: drafting a request to the SIC to delay the review and creating a small group to look at this issue. What do we want to do?
I volunteer to be part of a small group discussing the review. I favor *advancing* rather than delaying the review, as well as helping the SIC to frame it to address the challenges and barriers to consensus-building that stem from our current siloed structure. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
Is there support from others for the creation of a group? I would think that the group would need to be formalised as a DT, with a charter. Although you may wish to bring the review forward Wendy, others clearly feel we should be doing exactly the opposite. With such strong divergence of views, we must ensure that the mechanism we use to discuss this issue is unambiguous and accountable. Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 6 juil. 2012 à 16:26, "Winterfeldt, Brian" <bwinterfeldt@steptoe.com> a écrit :
I am happy to join Wendy as apart of the small group as well.
Best,
Brian
Brian J. Winterfeldt Partner bwinterfeldt@steptoe.com Steptoe
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 6:34 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] Action items from Prague / GNSO Review
On 07/01/2012 07:00 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
GNSO Review We have discussed two possible alternatives: drafting a request to the SIC to delay the review and creating a small group to look at this issue. What do we want to do?
I volunteer to be part of a small group discussing the review. I favor *advancing* rather than delaying the review, as well as helping the SIC to frame it to address the challenges and barriers to consensus-building that stem from our current siloed structure.
--Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org +1 617.863.0613 Fellow, Yale Law School Information Society Project Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University http://wendy.seltzer.org/ https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/ http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
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