RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita
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Adrian, I don't completely agree. If we take your view to the full extent then what is the GNSO doing electing any Board members at all? Or the ccNSO, etc. I think it is at least fair to understand what if any views a candidate may have going into it. I'd like to at least know what bias one way or the other, if any, may exist. And also, just how well informed or familiar he/she is with subject matter. This is not your typical board election process. We are not shareholders in a real sense. And there is no process by which a Board member can be removed save not reelecting them at the end of their term. I think the questions are fair. Your concerns get more to what each one of us does with the answers, something we should discuss with our constituents. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Wed, February 27, 2008 9:09 pm To: "Chuck Gomes" <cgomes@verisign.com>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> All, I am a little confused as to the purpose of the call with Rita. Is it merely an opportunity for us to lobby our personal issues with Rita in the hope that she will push them on the Board or is it about understanding how she will act a an effective conduit as the GNSO representative on the Board? I would have thought the later. Unless, of course, this is a presidential election where we are voting for the candidate's policies and not the candidate. I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in. Surely, we need her to ensure she will be making herself available at every opportunity to hear the "collective" of the GNSO Council and ensure that the topics that mean something to us are rightfully and appropriately managed with respect to the Board. Finding out what Rita thinks about a personal gripe or position I have doesn't help me understand whether she will take a "collective" view to the Board and how she will be a good representative. The GNSO Council is about consensus and managing views, not lobbying one Board member to push one view (or am I wrong!?). Just my thoughts and forgive me if they are misplaced. Regards, Adrian Kinderis Chief Executive Officer AusRegistry International Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistryinternational.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately.
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Tim, I see it similar to the role that we perform for the Registrar Constituency. We have many diverse views that we must represent. It is our job to ensure that those views are represented (that in itself is the challenge) and that we put forward a collective opinion when possible. I wasn't chosen to represent the RC because of my views on tasting or transfers. Moreover, that I would put successfully forward the views of my Constituents. I believe we should expect the same for Rita. My questions would be more the following; 1. Rita, you have been ill and away from occasional phone calls and recent ICANN meetings, do you expect this to continue? 2. I would like to see a regular (monthly) report from our representative on Board issues and where she stands on them (potentially with time allotted on calls and in meetings) 3. I would like to see our representative present at our "Council days" at ICANN meetings (where Board commitments permit). And then more specifically; 4. How can we better progress outstanding issues (domain tasting, transfers GNSO reform etc) with the Board? 5. How can we better communicate (through you?) to the Board to get them to understand these issues and their importance? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 3:42 PM To: Adrian Kinderis Cc: Chuck Gomes; Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Adrian, I don't completely agree. If we take your view to the full extent then what is the GNSO doing electing any Board members at all? Or the ccNSO, etc. I think it is at least fair to understand what if any views a candidate may have going into it. I'd like to at least know what bias one way or the other, if any, may exist. And also, just how well informed or familiar he/she is with subject matter. This is not your typical board election process. We are not shareholders in a real sense. And there is no process by which a Board member can be removed save not reelecting them at the end of their term. I think the questions are fair. Your concerns get more to what each one of us does with the answers, something we should discuss with our constituents. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Wed, February 27, 2008 9:09 pm To: "Chuck Gomes" <cgomes@verisign.com>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> All, I am a little confused as to the purpose of the call with Rita. Is it merely an opportunity for us to lobby our personal issues with Rita in the hope that she will push them on the Board or is it about understanding how she will act a an effective conduit as the GNSO representative on the Board? I would have thought the later. Unless, of course, this is a presidential election where we are voting for the candidate's policies and not the candidate. I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in. Surely, we need her to ensure she will be making herself available at every opportunity to hear the "collective" of the GNSO Council and ensure that the topics that mean something to us are rightfully and appropriately managed with respect to the Board. Finding out what Rita thinks about a personal gripe or position I have doesn't help me understand whether she will take a "collective" view to the Board and how she will be a good representative. The GNSO Council is about consensus and managing views, not lobbying one Board member to push one view (or am I wrong!?). Just my thoughts and forgive me if they are misplaced. Regards, Adrian Kinderis Chief Executive Officer AusRegistry International Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistryinternational.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. 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I think Adrian touched on a very good point. As I already indicated I will not be available to join the call but I agree that the questions should not be on any specific policy topics that we have on our plate right now (and who knows what will come up in the future) but rather on how the interaction between the GNSO and its representative on the Board will be and what our expectations are in this regard. Best, tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2008 06:38 An: Tim Ruiz Cc: Chuck Gomes; Council GNSO Betreff: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Tim, I see it similar to the role that we perform for the Registrar Constituency. We have many diverse views that we must represent. It is our job to ensure that those views are represented (that in itself is the challenge) and that we put forward a collective opinion when possible. I wasn't chosen to represent the RC because of my views on tasting or transfers. Moreover, that I would put successfully forward the views of my Constituents. I believe we should expect the same for Rita. My questions would be more the following; 1. Rita, you have been ill and away from occasional phone calls and recent ICANN meetings, do you expect this to continue? 2. I would like to see a regular (monthly) report from our representative on Board issues and where she stands on them (potentially with time allotted on calls and in meetings) 3. I would like to see our representative present at our "Council days" at ICANN meetings (where Board commitments permit). And then more specifically; 4. How can we better progress outstanding issues (domain tasting, transfers GNSO reform etc) with the Board? 5. How can we better communicate (through you?) to the Board to get them to understand these issues and their importance? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 3:42 PM To: Adrian Kinderis Cc: Chuck Gomes; Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Adrian, I don't completely agree. If we take your view to the full extent then what is the GNSO doing electing any Board members at all? Or the ccNSO, etc. I think it is at least fair to understand what if any views a candidate may have going into it. I'd like to at least know what bias one way or the other, if any, may exist. And also, just how well informed or familiar he/she is with subject matter. This is not your typical board election process. We are not shareholders in a real sense. And there is no process by which a Board member can be removed save not reelecting them at the end of their term. I think the questions are fair. Your concerns get more to what each one of us does with the answers, something we should discuss with our constituents. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Wed, February 27, 2008 9:09 pm To: "Chuck Gomes" <cgomes@verisign.com>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> All, I am a little confused as to the purpose of the call with Rita. Is it merely an opportunity for us to lobby our personal issues with Rita in the hope that she will push them on the Board or is it about understanding how she will act a an effective conduit as the GNSO representative on the Board? I would have thought the later. Unless, of course, this is a presidential election where we are voting for the candidate's policies and not the candidate. I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in. Surely, we need her to ensure she will be making herself available at every opportunity to hear the "collective" of the GNSO Council and ensure that the topics that mean something to us are rightfully and appropriately managed with respect to the Board. Finding out what Rita thinks about a personal gripe or position I have doesn't help me understand whether she will take a "collective" view to the Board and how she will be a good representative. The GNSO Council is about consensus and managing views, not lobbying one Board member to push one view (or am I wrong!?). Just my thoughts and forgive me if they are misplaced. Regards, Adrian Kinderis Chief Executive Officer AusRegistry International Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistryinternational.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. 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All, I won't be able to make the call and am not sure I need to given the line of questioning I have seen. Chuck, if you can get the few questions I have requested in previous email (1 - 5 below) I'd be a happy man. I may dial in an hour later if the call is still in progress. Regards, Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Keller [mailto:tom@1und1.de] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 8:08 PM To: Adrian Kinderis; 'Tim Ruiz' Cc: 'Chuck Gomes'; 'Council GNSO' Subject: AW: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita I think Adrian touched on a very good point. As I already indicated I will not be available to join the call but I agree that the questions should not be on any specific policy topics that we have on our plate right now (and who knows what will come up in the future) but rather on how the interaction between the GNSO and its representative on the Board will be and what our expectations are in this regard. Best, tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Februar 2008 06:38 An: Tim Ruiz Cc: Chuck Gomes; Council GNSO Betreff: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Tim, I see it similar to the role that we perform for the Registrar Constituency. We have many diverse views that we must represent. It is our job to ensure that those views are represented (that in itself is the challenge) and that we put forward a collective opinion when possible. I wasn't chosen to represent the RC because of my views on tasting or transfers. Moreover, that I would put successfully forward the views of my Constituents. I believe we should expect the same for Rita. My questions would be more the following; 1. Rita, you have been ill and away from occasional phone calls and recent ICANN meetings, do you expect this to continue? 2. I would like to see a regular (monthly) report from our representative on Board issues and where she stands on them (potentially with time allotted on calls and in meetings) 3. I would like to see our representative present at our "Council days" at ICANN meetings (where Board commitments permit). And then more specifically; 4. How can we better progress outstanding issues (domain tasting, transfers GNSO reform etc) with the Board? 5. How can we better communicate (through you?) to the Board to get them to understand these issues and their importance? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 3:42 PM To: Adrian Kinderis Cc: Chuck Gomes; Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Adrian, I don't completely agree. If we take your view to the full extent then what is the GNSO doing electing any Board members at all? Or the ccNSO, etc. I think it is at least fair to understand what if any views a candidate may have going into it. I'd like to at least know what bias one way or the other, if any, may exist. And also, just how well informed or familiar he/she is with subject matter. This is not your typical board election process. We are not shareholders in a real sense. And there is no process by which a Board member can be removed save not reelecting them at the end of their term. I think the questions are fair. Your concerns get more to what each one of us does with the answers, something we should discuss with our constituents. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Wed, February 27, 2008 9:09 pm To: "Chuck Gomes" <cgomes@verisign.com>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> All, I am a little confused as to the purpose of the call with Rita. Is it merely an opportunity for us to lobby our personal issues with Rita in the hope that she will push them on the Board or is it about understanding how she will act a an effective conduit as the GNSO representative on the Board? I would have thought the later. Unless, of course, this is a presidential election where we are voting for the candidate's policies and not the candidate. I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in. Surely, we need her to ensure she will be making herself available at every opportunity to hear the "collective" of the GNSO Council and ensure that the topics that mean something to us are rightfully and appropriately managed with respect to the Board. Finding out what Rita thinks about a personal gripe or position I have doesn't help me understand whether she will take a "collective" view to the Board and how she will be a good representative. The GNSO Council is about consensus and managing views, not lobbying one Board member to push one view (or am I wrong!?). Just my thoughts and forgive me if they are misplaced. Regards, Adrian Kinderis Chief Executive Officer AusRegistry International Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistryinternational.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. 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I personally believe that the discussion about the proposed questions is very healthy because it will not only provide a basis for our discussion for Rita but will hopefully also give us a better understanding of the role of directors on the board and more specifically the role of directors elected by the GNSO. I plan to set the stage at the beginning by asking some questions in this regard. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Kinderis [mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:38 AM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: Gomes, Chuck; Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Tim, I see it similar to the role that we perform for the Registrar Constituency. We have many diverse views that we must represent. It is our job to ensure that those views are represented (that in itself is the challenge) and that we put forward a collective opinion when possible. I wasn't chosen to represent the RC because of my views on tasting or transfers. Moreover, that I would put successfully forward the views of my Constituents. I believe we should expect the same for Rita. My questions would be more the following; 1. Rita, you have been ill and away from occasional phone calls and recent ICANN meetings, do you expect this to continue? 2. I would like to see a regular (monthly) report from our representative on Board issues and where she stands on them (potentially with time allotted on calls and in meetings) 3. I would like to see our representative present at our "Council days" at ICANN meetings (where Board commitments permit). And then more specifically; 4. How can we better progress outstanding issues (domain tasting, transfers GNSO reform etc) with the Board? 5. How can we better communicate (through you?) to the Board to get them to understand these issues and their importance? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 3:42 PM To: Adrian Kinderis Cc: Chuck Gomes; Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Adrian, I don't completely agree. If we take your view to the full extent then what is the GNSO doing electing any Board members at all? Or the ccNSO, etc. I think it is at least fair to understand what if any views a candidate may have going into it. I'd like to at least know what bias one way or the other, if any, may exist. And also, just how well informed or familiar he/she is with subject matter. This is not your typical board election process. We are not shareholders in a real sense. And there is no process by which a Board member can be removed save not reelecting them at the end of their term. I think the questions are fair. Your concerns get more to what each one of us does with the answers, something we should discuss with our constituents. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita From: "Adrian Kinderis" <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Wed, February 27, 2008 9:09 pm To: "Chuck Gomes" <cgomes@verisign.com>, "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> All, I am a little confused as to the purpose of the call with Rita. Is it merely an opportunity for us to lobby our personal issues with Rita in the hope that she will push them on the Board or is it about understanding how she will act a an effective conduit as the GNSO representative on the Board? I would have thought the later. Unless, of course, this is a presidential election where we are voting for the candidate's policies and not the candidate. I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in. Surely, we need her to ensure she will be making herself available at every opportunity to hear the "collective" of the GNSO Council and ensure that the topics that mean something to us are rightfully and appropriately managed with respect to the Board. Finding out what Rita thinks about a personal gripe or position I have doesn't help me understand whether she will take a "collective" view to the Board and how she will be a good representative. The GNSO Council is about consensus and managing views, not lobbying one Board member to push one view (or am I wrong!?). Just my thoughts and forgive me if they are misplaced. Regards, Adrian Kinderis Chief Executive Officer AusRegistry International Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistryinternational.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. 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Adrian wrote:
I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in.
Speaking personally, and as I think Rita already knows, I am more likely to vote for someone who disagrees with me honestly then I am for someone who only gives me the answers i want to hear. (applies to US election too) In answer to your question of why we do this, I think it is important to know what our candidates think about things and this is a good opportunity for people to ask about issues that concern them and get in depth answers to those concerns. a.
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OK. But on your questions I would be answering "what do you want me to think and why should I think that way?". Yes, you want her to understand the issues but for mine, what she thinks specifically, is somewhat irrelevant. I want to know what opinion she is going to carry onto the Board and how we she give us the visibility of that opinion. Is this making sense? A good rep will be one that pushes hard on *OUR* issues and opinions. I don't want her pushing hers and therefore don't care what they are unless she can provide some discussion points prior to taking them to the Board. She should NEVER be putting forward HER "personal" point of view, in my opinion of course... I'll shut up now... I promise. Adrian Kinderis Managing Director AusRegistry Group Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistrygroup.com The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 5:58 PM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Advance questions for the 28 Feb call with Rita Adrian wrote:
I personally don't want to make her feel that she has to respond positively to such requests otherwise risk not being voted in.
Speaking personally, and as I think Rita already knows, I am more likely to vote for someone who disagrees with me honestly then I am for someone who only gives me the answers i want to hear. (applies to US election too) In answer to your question of why we do this, I think it is important to know what our candidates think about things and this is a good opportunity for people to ask about issues that concern them and get in depth answers to those concerns. a.
participants (5)
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Adrian Kinderis
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Avri Doria
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Gomes, Chuck
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Thomas Keller
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Tim Ruiz