Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report
Thanks Chuck, that makes it a lot clearer for me and makes perfect sense. Stéphane Le 29 févr. 2012 à 22:46, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :
Now I understand your concern Stephane. We wouldn’t be putting the status report out for public comment, we would put the recommendations for the top level out for public comment; I believe the DT will finalize those after the call with interested GAC and Council members on Friday and prepare a recommendation for the Council approved by the DT.
Chuck
From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:42 PM To: Gomes, Chuck Cc: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu; council@gnso.icann.org GNSO; gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report
Agree on both counts Chuck. My point here is that this is not something that has come out of the DT. This is a document that Jeff drafted in his own time, following a request from the GAC to have some supporting documentation.
To me, putting such a document out for public comment would be a step too far from standard procedure.
Stéphane
Le 29 févr. 2012 à 22:34, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :
Moreover, it is not without precedent for WG’s to request comments on their work before they are finished. Chuck
From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Cc: gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report
Thanks for the clarification, Stephane - I'd asked precisely because it occurred to me that having a formal public comment period for this report would not be possible for a number of reasons. That said, and assuming the Council will be asked to vote on one/some/all recommendation(s) in Costa Rica, I can foresee problems ahead if, for instance, the Council votes then to approve certain permanent protections for this and future gTLD rounds based on recommendations made by other than a formal GNSO Working Group.
I would think that a few of my Council colleagues would either share my concerns or have some of their own. If so, and assuming we agree that should this topic come up for a vote in Costa Rica our normal deferral process would be the worst thing we could do in terms of responsiveness to the GAC, then we need to find ways to get feedback on the actual recommendation(s) from all the community, in addition to input on the various options/issues they may have already given to the DT during the discussion process.
Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage:http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed and now follow the convention: firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: "council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> CC: <gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org> Date: 2/29/2012 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report There is no official comment period planned for this. This is an unofficial report drafted by Jeff to help with an upcoming call, and not a document of the DT.
It should therefore not be put out for public comment.
Stéphane
Le 29 févr. 2012 à 21:34, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :
Thanks Mary. The document is “out for public comment” now. I would love for it to be formally out, but some may argue that takes an act of Council. We have a very limited time frame here and have had valuable input from each constituency and stakeholder group already and continue to get more.
Can ICANN staff put this on their page? Any help would be appreciated.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
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From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:25 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org; Neuman, Jeff Cc: gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report
Thanks, Jeff and everyone on the DT, for some marvelously quick and detailed work, and for a very clear and concise report.
Question - will this be put out for "official" public comment? I ask partly because of the possibility that the Council will be asked to vote on at least some part of the report in Costa Rica, and also because the recommendations pertain to protections that will also apply to future new gTLD rounds.
As many of you know, I definitely support a closer, better and more responsive working relationship with the GAC; however, even leaving aside issues with the process by which this particular issue came to the table and has now to be resolved, I remain concerned about ad-hoc work under the heading of "implementation" that isn't so much a natural follow-up to the GNSO's own policy recommendations (i.e. in this case the 2007 report on new gTLDs) but which could change or conflict with them. I know this issue was raised during this particular DT's discussions, as was the issue of precedent-setting, so I'm glad we're watchful for these risks. This might, however, buttress the argument that at the very least, a public comment be instituted prior to any vote/action.
Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage:http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed and now follow the convention:firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> To: "council@gnso.icann.org " <council@gnso.icann.org> CC: "gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org" <gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org> Date: 2/28/2012 11:43 PM Subject: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report FYI. Please circulate amongst your constituencies, stakeholder groups and Advisory Committees.
From: Neuman, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:38 PM To: Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca; mark.carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk; SRadell@ntia.doc.gov;stephane.vangelder@indom.com Cc: Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de; Neuman, Jeff Subject: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report
Heather, Mark and Suzanne,
As promised, please find enclosed a status report from the Chair of the IOC/RC Drafting Team of the GNSO Council that has been tasked with advising the GNSO Council with respect to the September 2011 GAC proposal on permanently protecting the Olympic and Red Cross names at the top and second levels for new gTLDs. Although this report was shared with the members of the Drafting Team, it was drafted by me as the Chair, and as such is not an official report from the Drafting Team. It represents the Chair’s current understanding of the discussions of the Drafting Team. Each of the recommendations addressed in this report are still under review by the GNSO Community. We are providing this report to assist in the discussions between the Drafting Team, interested GNSO Councilors and GAC members on March 2, 2012.
Please feel free to forward this report to the other members of the GAC as I will be sending this to the GNSO Council as well. We look forward to a productive call this Friday as well as in Costa Rica at the ICANN meeting.
Best regards,
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
Thanks, Stephane and Chuck - that is definitely helpful and clearer, especially with Chuck's other comments from the Registries SG call regarding the particularity and narrow focus of this particular process. Just one additional point then - with the limited time between the Friday call and our Costa Rica meeting, the public comment period will inevitably be short, so setting up a public comment forum and/or email address for receiving public comments should be done pronto. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed and now follow the convention: firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com> CC: "Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>, "council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org>, "gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org" <gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org> Date: 2/29/2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report Thanks Chuck, that makes it a lot clearer for me and makes perfect sense. Stéphane Le 29 févr. 2012 à 22:46, Gomes, Chuck a écrit : Now I understand your concern Stephane. We wouldn’t be putting the status report out for public comment, we would put the recommendations for the top level out for public comment; I believe the DT will finalize those after the call with interested GAC and Council members on Friday and prepare a recommendation for the Council approved by the DT. Chuck From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:42 PM To: Gomes, Chuck Cc: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu; council@gnso.icann.org GNSO; gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report Agree on both counts Chuck. My point here is that this is not something that has come out of the DT. This is a document that Jeff drafted in his own time, following a request from the GAC to have some supporting documentation. To me, putting such a document out for public comment would be a step too far from standard procedure. Stéphane Le 29 févr. 2012 à 22:34, Gomes, Chuck a écrit : Moreover, it is not without precedent for WG’s to request comments on their work before they are finished. Chuck From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 4:29 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Cc: gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report Thanks for the clarification, Stephane - I'd asked precisely because it occurred to me that having a formal public comment period for this report would not be possible for a number of reasons. That said, and assuming the Council will be asked to vote on one/some/all recommendation(s) in Costa Rica, I can foresee problems ahead if, for instance, the Council votes then to approve certain permanent protections for this and future gTLD rounds based on recommendations made by other than a formal GNSO Working Group. I would think that a few of my Council colleagues would either share my concerns or have some of their own. If so, and assuming we agree that should this topic come up for a vote in Costa Rica our normal deferral process would be the worst thing we could do in terms of responsiveness to the GAC, then we need to find ways to get feedback on the actual recommendation(s) from all the community, in addition to input on the various options/issues they may have already given to the DT during the discussion process. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage:http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed and now follow the convention: firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: "council@gnso.icann.org GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> CC: <gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org> Date: 2/29/2012 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] RE: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report There is no official comment period planned for this. This is an unofficial report drafted by Jeff to help with an upcoming call, and not a document of the DT. It should therefore not be put out for public comment. Stéphane Le 29 févr. 2012 à 21:34, Neuman, Jeff a écrit : Thanks Mary. The document is “out for public comment” now. I would love for it to be formally out, but some may argue that takes an act of Council. We have a very limited time frame here and have had valuable input from each constituency and stakeholder group already and continue to get more. Can ICANN staff put this on their page? Any help would be appreciated. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu [mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 3:25 PM To: council@gnso.icann.org; Neuman, Jeff Cc: gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org Subject: Re: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report Thanks, Jeff and everyone on the DT, for some marvelously quick and detailed work, and for a very clear and concise report. Question - will this be put out for "official" public comment? I ask partly because of the possibility that the Council will be asked to vote on at least some part of the report in Costa Rica, and also because the recommendations pertain to protections that will also apply to future new gTLD rounds. As many of you know, I definitely support a closer, better and more responsive working relationship with the GAC; however, even leaving aside issues with the process by which this particular issue came to the table and has now to be resolved, I remain concerned about ad-hoc work under the heading of "implementation" that isn't so much a natural follow-up to the GNSO's own policy recommendations (i.e. in this case the 2007 report on new gTLDs) but which could change or conflict with them. I know this issue was raised during this particular DT's discussions, as was the issue of precedent-setting, so I'm glad we're watchful for these risks. This might, however, buttress the argument that at the very least, a public comment be instituted prior to any vote/action. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage:http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all email addresses have changed and now follow the convention:firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu
From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> To: "council@gnso.icann.org ( mailto:council@gnso.icann.org%20 )" <council@gnso.icann.org> CC: "gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org" <gnso-iocrc-dt@icann.org> Date: 2/28/2012 11:43 PM Subject: [council] FW: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report FYI. Please circulate amongst your constituencies, stakeholder groups and Advisory Committees. From: Neuman, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:38 PM To: Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca; mark.carvell@culture.gsi.gov.uk; SRadell@ntia.doc.gov;stephane.vangelder@indom.com Cc: Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de; Neuman, Jeff Subject: IOC/RC Drafting Team Status Report Heather, Mark and Suzanne, As promised, please find enclosed a status report from the Chair of the IOC/RC Drafting Team of the GNSO Council that has been tasked with advising the GNSO Council with respect to the September 2011 GAC proposal on permanently protecting the Olympic and Red Cross names at the top and second levels for new gTLDs. Although this report was shared with the members of the Drafting Team, it was drafted by me as the Chair, and as such is not an official report from the Drafting Team. It represents the Chair’s current understanding of the discussions of the Drafting Team. Each of the recommendations addressed in this report are still under review by the GNSO Community. We are providing this report to assist in the discussions between the Drafting Team, interested GNSO Councilors and GAC members on March 2, 2012. Please feel free to forward this report to the other members of the GAC as I will be sending this to the GNSO Council as well. We look forward to a productive call this Friday as well as in Costa Rica at the ICANN meeting. Best regards, Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
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