Hi I support moving the call back two weeks to Thursday 22 September. We've come this far with the process, let's let them finish it properly. Best Bill On Aug 19, 2011, at 18:36, Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> wrote:

Thanks Rafik,

Councilllors, if a small push back can help the JAS WG meet the Board-requested deadlines, then in my view we should at the very least consider it. But a decision needs to be taken quickly and it needs to be very clearly stated that these are exceptional circumstances and that the Council will not alter it's calendar everytime a WG needs a little extra time.

In my conversations with the JAS cochairs and the ALAC chair on this, I have been told that pushing back our Sept 8 meeting by 15 days would give the JAS WG the time it needs to present it's final report to us.

I can, of course, also see reasons for not wanting to push our meeting back. So if anyone is very opposed to doing so, please say so by Wednesday next week so that we can take a timely decision.

Thanks,

Stéphane

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Le 19 août 2011 à 03:38, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

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Dear fellow-councillors,

while the JAS WG members are working hard on drafting the final report with all difficulties(commitment during summer holidays etc) , I am sending this email to kindly ask for consideration to push back the gnso confcall planned for 8th September (or considering special call) and also delaying for few days the deadline for finalizing the report. a webinar for icann community is also planned to make it more easy to get a fast track on the report updates (knowing that is also another workload for WG members).helping the discussion among councillors and their respective SG/C regarding the report.

I will be glad to get your feedback and answer your questions.

Best,

Rafik

That should be; Stephane, How does it impact the tasks that are currently being worked on AND potential motions? Adrian Kinderis Chief Executive Officer AusRegistry International Pty Ltd Level 8, 10 Queens Road Melbourne. Victoria Australia. 3004 Ph: +61 3 9866 3710 Fax: +61 3 9866 1970 Email: adrian@ausregistry.com Web: www.ausregistry.com - Follow AusRegistry International on Twitter: www.twitter.com/ausregistryint The information contained in this communication is intended for the named recipients only. It is subject to copyright and may contain legally privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient you must not use, copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this communication in error, please delete all copies from your system and notify us immediately. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 9:09 AM To: William Drake; Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: Rafik Dammak; Council GNSO Subject: RE: [council] JAS update and deadline Stephane, How does it impact the tasks that are currently being worked on potential motions? Also, is there an impact to backing this meeting up towards the ICANN Meeting in Dakar? Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 3:48 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: Rafik Dammak; Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] JAS update and deadline Hi I support moving the call back two weeks to Thursday 22 September. We've come this far with the process, let's let them finish it properly. Best Bill On Aug 19, 2011, at 18:36, Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> wrote:

Thanks Rafik,

Councilllors, if a small push back can help the JAS WG meet the Board-requested deadlines, then in my view we should at the very least consider it. But a decision needs to be taken quickly and it needs to be very clearly stated that these are exceptional circumstances and that the Council will not alter it's calendar everytime a WG needs a little extra time.

In my conversations with the JAS cochairs and the ALAC chair on this, I have been told that pushing back our Sept 8 meeting by 15 days would give the JAS WG the time it needs to present it's final report to us.

I can, of course, also see reasons for not wanting to push our meeting back. So if anyone is very opposed to doing so, please say so by Wednesday next week so that we can take a timely decision.

Thanks,

Stéphane

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Le 19 août 2011 à 03:38, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Dear fellow-councillors,

while the JAS WG members are working hard on drafting the final report with all difficulties(commitment during summer holidays etc) , I am sending this email to kindly ask for consideration to push back the gnso confcall planned for 8th September (or considering special call) and also delaying for few days the deadline for finalizing the report. a webinar for icann community is also planned to make it more easy to get a fast track on the report updates (knowing that is also another workload for WG members).helping the discussion among councillors and their respective SG/C regarding the report.

I will be glad to get your feedback and answer your questions.

Best,

Rafik

Rafik, can you let us know if an early submittal of a draft to the Council is possible? Adrian, Ching: what I am suggesting is a one-off emergency decision on whether to push back a planned Council teleconference. To be clear, this is something that we never normally do, for good reasons such as the predictability of our meeting calendars for us, observers and the whole community. Also, it's clear that pushing back the meeting to accommodate one group is to the detriment of the other important policy work that we currently have going on and the corresponding motions. However, we should in my opinion also be mindful of the incredible amount of work that the JAS WG has produced to try and meet the deadline set by the June 20 Board resolution. Personally I don't think pushing back by 15 days will significantly adversely impact the rest of the work we have on. Yes it's a nuisance, but if it helps finish the JAS work in time for inclusion by the first round of new gTLDs, I think that will serve the community well. And that is something we are obviously keen to do. Through its cochairs, the JAS WG has asked the GNSO Council to do what we can to help it reach it's goals. It is with this in mind that I suggest we consider pushing back, and that I suggest in this instance we keep our decision process simple and flexible. So I would shy away from a formal vote and this is why I am asking for any strong objection to be voiced. What I would then suggest is that if any opposition is voiced in any way, rather than launching into a lengthy debate, we simply decide to keep to our scheduled calendar and our Sept 8 meeting, no questions asked and no justification needed from those who oppose. However, if no opposition is voiced, we would then consider this tacit agreement that the meeting be pushed back. I hope this answers your questions and helps clarify my approach. Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 20 août 2011 à 04:46, Ching Chiao <chiao@registry.asia> a écrit :

Thank you Rafik and Stéphane.

Stéphane just to be clear: are we now facing a voting circumstances (moving meeting time or not)? Personally I am open -- but if we are moving the regular call to later date then I think we need a good reason -- given ICANN has already allocated extra staff resource to support JAS work. I very much agree with Adrian on reviewing the current draft so we can help get necessary input from our SGs.

Ching

2011/8/20 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>

Thanks Rafik,

Councilllors, if a small push back can help the JAS WG meet the Board-requested deadlines, then in my view we should at the very least consider it. But a decision needs to be taken quickly and it needs to be very clearly stated that these are exceptional circumstances and that the Council will not alter it's calendar everytime a WG needs a little extra time.

In my conversations with the JAS cochairs and the ALAC chair on this, I have been told that pushing back our Sept 8 meeting by 15 days would give the JAS WG the time it needs to present it's final report to us.

I can, of course, also see reasons for not wanting to push our meeting back. So if anyone is very opposed to doing so, please say so by Wednesday next week so that we can take a timely decision.

Thanks,

Stéphane

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Le 19 août 2011 à 03:38, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Dear fellow-councillors,

while the JAS WG members are working hard on drafting the final report with all difficulties(commitment during summer holidays etc) , I am sending this email to kindly ask for consideration to push back the gnso confcall planned for 8th September (or considering special call) and also delaying for few days the deadline for finalizing the report. a webinar for icann community is also planned to make it more easy to get a fast track on the report updates (knowing that is also another workload for WG members).helping the discussion among councillors and their respective SG/C regarding the report.

I will be glad to get your feedback and answer your questions.

Best,

Rafik

-- Ching CHIAO Vice President, DotAsia Organisation LTD. Chair, Asia Pacific Networking Group Member of ICANN GNSO Council & RySG ===================================== Email: chiao@registry.asia Skype: chiao_rw Mobile: +886-918211372 | +86-13520187032 www.registry.asia | www.apngcamp.asia www.facebook.com/ching.chiao

hello, thanks for all those replies, trying to answer some questions: 1/ we have updated draft of report prior to to JAS calls in Tuesday and Friday but this draft is getting changed a lot these days with the different reviews made by WG members (and specific comments), the checking about consensus level and the help of the additional staff support for drafting and integrating the feedback and comments. The extra days of delay of deadline are aimed to allow that such process to be ended without more undue rush for the WG and ensuring a certain level of quality of the report. anyway the draft are available in the JAS WG wiki homepage in pdf and word format. https://community.icann.org/display/jaswg/SO-AC+New+gTLD+Applicant+Support+W... I can send later the last version of draft report . 2/ to help SG/C (and the whole ICANN community) to get the fast track about final report content and getting community feedback and answer its questions regarding the report, a webinar is planned after suggestion during last GNSO council confcall. the preparation and planning for such action started already (another workload for co-chairs, ICANN staff and WG members) . Best, Rafik 2011/8/20 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>

Rafik, can you let us know if an early submittal of a draft to the Council is possible?

Adrian, Ching: what I am suggesting is a one-off emergency decision on whether to push back a planned Council teleconference. To be clear, this is something that we never normally do, for good reasons such as the predictability of our meeting calendars for us, observers and the whole community.

Also, it's clear that pushing back the meeting to accommodate one group is to the detriment of the other important policy work that we currently have going on and the corresponding motions.

However, we should in my opinion also be mindful of the incredible amount of work that the JAS WG has produced to try and meet the deadline set by the June 20 Board resolution.

Personally I don't think pushing back by 15 days will significantly adversely impact the rest of the work we have on. Yes it's a nuisance, but if it helps finish the JAS work in time for inclusion by the first round of new gTLDs, I think that will serve the community well. And that is something we are obviously keen to do.

Through its cochairs, the JAS WG has asked the GNSO Council to do what we can to help it reach it's goals. It is with this in mind that I suggest we consider pushing back, and that I suggest in this instance we keep our decision process simple and flexible. So I would shy away from a formal vote and this is why I am asking for any strong objection to be voiced.

What I would then suggest is that if any opposition is voiced in any way, rather than launching into a lengthy debate, we simply decide to keep to our scheduled calendar and our Sept 8 meeting, no questions asked and no justification needed from those who oppose.

However, if no opposition is voiced, we would then consider this tacit agreement that the meeting be pushed back.

I hope this answers your questions and helps clarify my approach.

Stéphane

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Le 20 août 2011 à 04:46, Ching Chiao <chiao@registry.asia> a écrit :

Thank you Rafik and Stéphane.

Stéphane just to be clear: are we now facing a voting circumstances (moving meeting time or not)? Personally I am open -- but if we are moving the regular call to later date then I think we need a good reason -- given ICANN has already allocated extra staff resource to support JAS work. I very much agree with Adrian on reviewing the current draft so we can help get necessary input from our SGs.

Ching

2011/8/20 Stéphane Van Gelder < <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> stephane.vangelder@indom.com>

...

Thanks Rafik,

Councilllors, if a small push back can help the JAS WG meet the Board-requested deadlines, then in my view we should at the very least consider it. But a decision needs to be taken quickly and it needs to be very clearly stated that these are exceptional circumstances and that the Council will not alter it's calendar everytime a WG needs a little extra time.

In my conversations with the JAS cochairs and the ALAC chair on this, I have been told that pushing back our Sept 8 meeting by 15 days would give the JAS WG the time it needs to present it's final report to us.

I can, of course, also see reasons for not wanting to push our meeting back. So if anyone is very opposed to doing so, please say so by Wednesday next week so that we can take a timely decision.

Thanks,

Stéphane

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Le 19 août 2011 à 03:38, Rafik Dammak < <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Dear fellow-councillors,

while the JAS WG members are working hard on drafting the final report with all difficulties(commitment during summer holidays etc) , I am sending this email to kindly ask for consideration to push back the gnso confcall planned for 8th September (or considering special call) and also delaying for few days the deadline for finalizing the report. a webinar for icann community is also planned to make it more easy to get a fast track on the report updates (knowing that is also another workload for WG members).helping the discussion among councillors and their respective SG/C regarding the report.

I will be glad to get your feedback and answer your questions.

Best,

Rafik

-- Ching CHIAO Vice President, DotAsia Organisation LTD. Chair, Asia Pacific Networking Group Member of ICANN GNSO Council & RySG ===================================== Email: <chiao@registry.asia>chiao@registry.asia Skype: chiao_rw Mobile: +886-918211372 | +86-13520187032 <http://www.registry.asia>www.registry.asia | <http://www.apngcamp.asia> www.apngcamp.asia <http://www.facebook.com/ching.chiao>www.facebook.com/ching.chiao

All, FYI I have updated the draft agenda to show the Sept 22 as the date for our next meeting. I have asked Glen to inform the wider community of this date change and update the deadline for submitting motions and documents accordingly. Thanks, Stéphane Le 26 août 2011 à 17:22, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :

Councillors,

There were questions, but I've seen no real opposition to us pushing back our meeting.

I will therefore plan to push it back from Sept 8 to Sept 22. Once again, if anyone is violently opposed please say so. Failing that, I will update the agenda on Monday.

Thanks.

Stéphane

Le 19 août 2011 à 18:36, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :

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Thanks Rafik,

Councilllors, if a small push back can help the JAS WG meet the Board-requested deadlines, then in my view we should at the very least consider it. But a decision needs to be taken quickly and it needs to be very clearly stated that these are exceptional circumstances and that the Council will not alter it's calendar everytime a WG needs a little extra time.

In my conversations with the JAS cochairs and the ALAC chair on this, I have been told that pushing back our Sept 8 meeting by 15 days would give the JAS WG the time it needs to present it's final report to us.

I can, of course, also see reasons for not wanting to push our meeting back. So if anyone is very opposed to doing so, please say so by Wednesday next week so that we can take a timely decision.

Thanks,

Stéphane

Envoyé de mon iPhone4

Le 19 août 2011 à 03:38, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

...

Dear fellow-councillors,

while the JAS WG members are working hard on drafting the final report with all difficulties(commitment during summer holidays etc) , I am sending this email to kindly ask for consideration to push back the gnso confcall planned for 8th September (or considering special call) and also delaying for few days the deadline for finalizing the report. a webinar for icann community is also planned to make it more easy to get a fast track on the report updates (knowing that is also another workload for WG members).helping the discussion among councillors and their respective SG/C regarding the report.

I will be glad to get your feedback and answer your questions.

Best,

Rafik