Dear Pam, A thought: Kristina's point on IPR infringement is a great idea. I understand that there is concern on evidence linking a third party/registrar and the fake renewal notice. What about shifting the burden of proving/disproving on the purported party(s) who's logo is on the notice. Since ICANN cannot verify whether or not the notice actually came from the Registrar/Reseller, maybe there exists the possibility of sending a notice to the party who's logo is on the fake notice. This will put the burden on the Registrar/Reseller to make a clear statement denying any link with the sender of the fake notice. This would help is any future litigation. Also it may help with putting Registry/Registrar/Resellers on notice to take positive steps towards mitigating their liability. Eg. http://www.domainavenue.com/scam_melbourne_it_imposter.htm Sincerely, Zahid Jamil Barrister-at-law Jamil & Jamil Barristers-at-law 219-221 Central Hotel Annexe Merewether Road, Karachi. Pakistan Cell: +923008238230 Tel: +92 21 35680760 / 35685276 / 35655025 Fax: +92 21 35655026 <http://www.jamilandjamil.com/> www.jamilandjamil.com Notice / Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and its contents are being communicated only for the intended recipients . If you are not the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and delete it from your system. The contents above may contain/are the intellectual property of DNDRC, and constitute privileged information protected by attorney client privilege. The reproduction, publication, use, amendment, modification of any kind whatsoever of any part or parts (including photocopying or storing it in any medium by electronic means whether or not transiently or incidentally or some other use of this communication) without prior written permission and consent of DNDRC is prohibited.