Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi, I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a refresher. I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based Wg. So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the issue. Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on. We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two meetings. While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition. Just a thought. avri
Hi Avri, thanks for your e-mail - actually a good thought! Best Thomas Am 08.05.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a refresher.
I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based Wg.
So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the issue.
Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on.
We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two meetings.
While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition.
Just a thought.
avri
Hi all, this distinction has been discussed in the Policy & Implementation Working Group, which is currently beginning to explore possible criteria and other processes that may be suitable to use when the GNSO is asked, or wishes, to provide ³policy guidance² outside a PDP. In addition, it may be useful to note that the current WG Guidelines are not limited to just PDP WGs; as Avri noted, these WGs would not follow the Bylaws-mandated PDP steps of Issue Report etc. Cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org * One World. One Internet. * -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi Avri, thanks for your e-mail - actually a good thought!
Best Thomas
Am 08.05.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a refresher.
I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based Wg.
So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the issue.
Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on.
We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two meetings.
While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition.
Just a thought.
avri
Hi, Al I am saying is that we don't need to wait for P&I and could implement one of the quick working groups anytime we decide it is the right thing to do. I especially point out: 6.4 Applicability The GNSO Council or any of its sub-groups may decide to utilize a WG anytime they think that community wide participation is advisable for resolving issues. It should be emphasized that WGs are not intended to apply to policy development processes solely. avri On 08-May-14 15:46, Mary Wong wrote:
Hi all, this distinction has been discussed in the Policy & Implementation Working Group, which is currently beginning to explore possible criteria and other processes that may be suitable to use when the GNSO is asked, or wishes, to provide ³policy guidance² outside a PDP. In addition, it may be useful to note that the current WG Guidelines are not limited to just PDP WGs; as Avri noted, these WGs would not follow the Bylaws-mandated PDP steps of Issue Report etc.
Cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org
* One World. One Internet. *
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi Avri, thanks for your e-mail - actually a good thought!
Best Thomas
Am 08.05.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a refresher.
I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based Wg.
So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the issue.
Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on.
We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two meetings.
While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition.
Just a thought.
avri
If Council were to consider this as a way of addressing this type of issue suggest the voting threshold to charter such groups should be made particularly high. There would clearly be a need to ensure its not abused, or used as a way to work around or revisit existing agreed policy, or as a method of driving issues that have only a modicum of support towards a vote. Whilst I appreciate that isn't the case now, this is an issue that needs to be considered by the P&I WG. Tony -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: 08 May 2014 20:56 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes Hi, Al I am saying is that we don't need to wait for P&I and could implement one of the quick working groups anytime we decide it is the right thing to do. I especially point out: 6.4 Applicability The GNSO Council or any of its sub-groups may decide to utilize a WG anytime they think that community wide participation is advisable for resolving issues. It should be emphasized that WGs are not intended to apply to policy development processes solely. avri On 08-May-14 15:46, Mary Wong wrote:
Hi all, this distinction has been discussed in the Policy & Implementation Working Group, which is currently beginning to explore possible criteria and other processes that may be suitable to use when the GNSO is asked, or wishes, to provide ³policy guidance² outside a PDP. In addition, it may be useful to note that the current WG Guidelines are not limited to just PDP WGs; as Avri noted, these WGs would not follow the Bylaws-mandated PDP steps of Issue Report etc.
Cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org
* One World. One Internet. *
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi Avri, thanks for your e-mail - actually a good thought!
Best Thomas
Am 08.05.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a
refresher.
I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based
Wg.
So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the
issue.
Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on.
We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two meetings.
While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition.
Just a thought.
avri
Hi, Why wouldn't the 50%+1 be enough? That is the threshold for all non by-laws determined votes. I think it is higher than some PDP thresholds. I am thinking of this at first for resolving any of those issues that are sent by the Board with tight deadlines where we need bottom-up opinion, and I think one of the major recommendations they could make, other than answering questions is the recommendation to council of whether the issue is policy or not. If it is policy, then we need to go to PDP and the WG can recommend an issues report. Just trying to find a way to use the tools we've got to do the work we get. I am not trying to pre-determine the recommendations of the P&I, but it will be a while before we have their recommendations. And possibly we can provide them with some real life examples of what to recommend or not recommend. avri On 08-May-14 16:47, Tony Holmes wrote:
If Council were to consider this as a way of addressing this type of issue suggest the voting threshold to charter such groups should be made particularly high. There would clearly be a need to ensure its not abused, or used as a way to work around or revisit existing agreed policy, or as a method of driving issues that have only a modicum of support towards a vote.
Whilst I appreciate that isn't the case now, this is an issue that needs to be considered by the P&I WG.
Tony
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: 08 May 2014 20:56 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi,
Al I am saying is that we don't need to wait for P&I and could implement one of the quick working groups anytime we decide it is the right thing to do.
I especially point out:
6.4 Applicability The GNSO Council or any of its sub-groups may decide to utilize a WG anytime they think that community wide participation is advisable for resolving issues. It should be emphasized that WGs are not intended to apply to policy development processes solely.
avri
On 08-May-14 15:46, Mary Wong wrote:
Hi all, this distinction has been discussed in the Policy & Implementation Working Group, which is currently beginning to explore possible criteria and other processes that may be suitable to use when the GNSO is asked, or wishes, to provide ³policy guidance² outside a PDP. In addition, it may be useful to note that the current WG Guidelines are not limited to just PDP WGs; as Avri noted, these WGs would not follow the Bylaws-mandated PDP steps of Issue Report etc.
Cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org
* One World. One Internet. *
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi Avri, thanks for your e-mail - actually a good thought!
Best Thomas
Am 08.05.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a
refresher.
I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based
Wg.
So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the
issue.
Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on.
We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two meetings.
While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition.
Just a thought.
avri
Hi Avri We should be cautious of providing an easy route for the Board or others to be able to tweak policy. A few people have already expressed concern that this has already been done, particularly with new gTLDs. Having a higher threshold say 65%, is unlikely to be a problem in the vast majority of cases particularly with the situations you offer below, but it would provide that additional level of protection. 50%+1 may not do that, particularly as the existing membership structures dilute as a result of many qualifying members having wide and diverse business interests as a result of the introduction of new gTLDs. Tony -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: 08 May 2014 22:12 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes Hi, Why wouldn't the 50%+1 be enough? That is the threshold for all non by-laws determined votes. I think it is higher than some PDP thresholds. I am thinking of this at first for resolving any of those issues that are sent by the Board with tight deadlines where we need bottom-up opinion, and I think one of the major recommendations they could make, other than answering questions is the recommendation to council of whether the issue is policy or not. If it is policy, then we need to go to PDP and the WG can recommend an issues report. Just trying to find a way to use the tools we've got to do the work we get. I am not trying to pre-determine the recommendations of the P&I, but it will be a while before we have their recommendations. And possibly we can provide them with some real life examples of what to recommend or not recommend. avri On 08-May-14 16:47, Tony Holmes wrote:
If Council were to consider this as a way of addressing this type of issue suggest the voting threshold to charter such groups should be made particularly high. There would clearly be a need to ensure its not abused, or used as a way to work around or revisit existing agreed policy, or as a method of driving issues that have only a modicum of support towards a vote.
Whilst I appreciate that isn't the case now, this is an issue that needs to be considered by the P&I WG.
Tony
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: 08 May 2014 20:56 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi,
Al I am saying is that we don't need to wait for P&I and could implement one of the quick working groups anytime we decide it is the
right thing to do.
I especially point out:
6.4 Applicability The GNSO Council or any of its sub-groups may decide to utilize a WG anytime they think that community wide participation is advisable for resolving issues. It should be emphasized that WGs are not intended to apply to policy development processes solely.
avri
On 08-May-14 15:46, Mary Wong wrote:
Hi all, this distinction has been discussed in the Policy & Implementation Working Group, which is currently beginning to explore possible criteria and other processes that may be suitable to use when the GNSO is asked, or wishes, to provide ³policy guidance² outside a PDP. In addition, it may be useful to note that the current WG Guidelines are not limited to just PDP WGs; as Avri noted, these WGs would not follow the Bylaws-mandated PDP steps of Issue Report etc.
Cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org
* One World. One Internet. *
-----Original Message----- From: Thomas Rickert <rickert@anwaelte.de> Date: Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 3:26 PM To: Avri Doria <avri@acm.org> Cc: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Working Groups for non PDP purposes
Hi Avri, thanks for your e-mail - actually a good thought!
Best Thomas
Am 08.05.2014 um 20:40 schrieb Avri Doria:
Hi,
I happen to be re-reading the GNSO Operating procedures in preparation for one of those newcomer webinars. Always good to have a
refresher.
I see nothing in it that prohibits us from creating a Working Group to resolve any issue we wish to resolve, even if it is not a PDP based
Wg.
So my question becomes, why don't we quickly charter WGs to resolve any of these interrupt issues. We can charter a group with a narrow question, a time limit and the resources to make a recommendation to the council. That would at least give the council the ability to then take a vote based on a bottom-up process that looked into the
issue.
Just a thought. This could give us a basis to work on.
We might need some SCI assistance, not sure yet, to refine a couple of points to make this something that can occur quickly, such as voting on such a charter between meetings (the voting between meetings is already request already pending in the SCI), but unless I am mistaken we have no barrier to using our WG guidelines to actually get bottom-up work done outside of PDP constraints and time tables. Also, unless a WG is a PDP WG, it does not need to include the various stages of issues report, initial report etc. It can go from a GNSO Council Leadership constructed Charter, to an emergency meeting to vote on formation in less that the gap between two
meetings.
While this would not apply to creating policy which still requires a PDP, it could well resolve issues of whether something was consistent with policy. And could certainly work on issues to do with governance and transition.
Just a thought.
avri
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