Dear Councillors, The notes from the GAC and ICANN Board Conference Call Regarding the ICANN61 Communique that was held on April 11 are available at https://gac.icann.org/sessions/gac-and-icann-board-conference-call-regarding... I guess this was held a day before the Article 29 Working Party response was received by ICANN, but on the subject of the GAC advice related to Whois Compliance with GDPR, the notes state: "Regarding possible conflicts between GAC Advice and Art. 29 WP guidance, the GAC Chair highlighted the necessity to expedite the Bylaws-mandated consultation process before the entry into force of the GDPR on 25 May 2018 (should the ICANN Board decide to reject part of the GAC Advice). More specifically, United States suggested that such consultation be conducted remotely (and not face-to-face), in the interest of time. Discussion of process and timeline of ICANN Board’s consideration of GAC Advice identified a number of steps required before the Board can decide on whether to adopt or reject GAC Advice: Considering ICANN Org advice, Conducting due diligence on advice received, Reaching out to other parts of the ICANN Community. ICANN’s General Counsel stressed that the triggering of a consultation between ICANN Board and GAC is not time-bound. It is required prior to the ICANN Board taking action that is inconsistent with GAC Advice. Considering the GDPR enforcement timeline, the General Counsel indicated that this would have to occur prior to the ICANN Board approving a “temporary specification”, between now and 24 May 2018. Reflecting on the uncertainty of Art. 29 WP feedback, the ICANN CEO indicated a potential need to “go back to the drawing board” or follow-up with clarifying questions. He also shared concerns with a potential fragmentation of Whois should Art. 29 WP not provide a moratorium on enforcement. The GAC and ICANN Board anticipate meeting again, possibly in a conference call format, prior to the ICANN62 meeting in Panama. In the meantime, the GAC is looking forward to a substantive discussion of the matter with the ICANN Org, once Art. 29 WP guidance is available." There is also a response letter from the board to GAC (dealing with IGO acronyms) at https://www.icann.org/resources/correspondence/1215191-2018-04-25-en containing a set of questions to the GAC: "1. Which lists are the subject of the Advice: the list of IGO Names, the list of Identifiers/Acronyms, or both? 2. What is the nature of the assistance that the GAC believes may be needed of the ICANN organization in order to ensure that the GAC’s lists are accurate and complete? 3. Could the GAC confirm that it remains the authoritative organization to determine which IGOs are to be protected [including an IGO’s specific name, acronym and applicable language(s)] as well as to determine any updates that are to be made to the list? 4. What mechanism does the GAC believe should be utilized for maintaining the accuracy of the list, i.e., for adding or deleting a name or identifier from the list? Can the GAC confirm that it is possible to have a scenario where an IGO’s name (but not acronym) is deleted such that the deleted name becomes available for third parties while the acronym remains under protection, and vice versa (i.e., where the acronym is deleted but not the name)?" Julf
Thanks Julf This is a very helpful summary. I don't think the Board has ever formally rejected GAC advice previously, in large part because the process to do so could take six months or more. If they are disputing advice on GDPR this puts a lot of pressure on that timeframe. Donna -----Original Message----- From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Johan Helsingius Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 5:42 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [council] GAC update Dear Councillors, The notes from the GAC and ICANN Board Conference Call Regarding the ICANN61 Communique that was held on April 11 are available at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gac.icann.org_sessions_... I guess this was held a day before the Article 29 Working Party response was received by ICANN, but on the subject of the GAC advice related to Whois Compliance with GDPR, the notes state: "Regarding possible conflicts between GAC Advice and Art. 29 WP guidance, the GAC Chair highlighted the necessity to expedite the Bylaws-mandated consultation process before the entry into force of the GDPR on 25 May 2018 (should the ICANN Board decide to reject part of the GAC Advice). More specifically, United States suggested that such consultation be conducted remotely (and not face-to-face), in the interest of time. Discussion of process and timeline of ICANN Board’s consideration of GAC Advice identified a number of steps required before the Board can decide on whether to adopt or reject GAC Advice: Considering ICANN Org advice, Conducting due diligence on advice received, Reaching out to other parts of the ICANN Community. ICANN’s General Counsel stressed that the triggering of a consultation between ICANN Board and GAC is not time-bound. It is required prior to the ICANN Board taking action that is inconsistent with GAC Advice. Considering the GDPR enforcement timeline, the General Counsel indicated that this would have to occur prior to the ICANN Board approving a “temporary specification”, between now and 24 May 2018. Reflecting on the uncertainty of Art. 29 WP feedback, the ICANN CEO indicated a potential need to “go back to the drawing board” or follow-up with clarifying questions. He also shared concerns with a potential fragmentation of Whois should Art. 29 WP not provide a moratorium on enforcement. The GAC and ICANN Board anticipate meeting again, possibly in a conference call format, prior to the ICANN62 meeting in Panama. In the meantime, the GAC is looking forward to a substantive discussion of the matter with the ICANN Org, once Art. 29 WP guidance is available." There is also a response letter from the board to GAC (dealing with IGO acronyms) at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources... containing a set of questions to the GAC: "1. Which lists are the subject of the Advice: the list of IGO Names, the list of Identifiers/Acronyms, or both? 2. What is the nature of the assistance that the GAC believes may be needed of the ICANN organization in order to ensure that the GAC’s lists are accurate and complete? 3. Could the GAC confirm that it remains the authoritative organization to determine which IGOs are to be protected [including an IGO’s specific name, acronym and applicable language(s)] as well as to determine any updates that are to be made to the list? 4. What mechanism does the GAC believe should be utilized for maintaining the accuracy of the list, i.e., for adding or deleting a name or identifier from the list? Can the GAC confirm that it is possible to have a scenario where an IGO’s name (but not acronym) is deleted such that the deleted name becomes available for third parties while the acronym remains under protection, and vice versa (i.e., where the acronym is deleted but not the name)?" Julf _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mm.icann.org_mailman_li...
Donna,
I don't think the Board has ever formally rejected GAC advice previously, in large part because the process to do so could take six months or more. If they are disputing advice on GDPR this puts a lot of pressure on that timeframe.
If the board comes up with an "interim solution", I suppose it is then also up to GAC to decide if they consider it going against GAC advice or not. Julf
Fair point Julf. It seems to be a unique set of circumstances where ICANN is developing a solution to address legislation and the GAC is holding a line that seems inconsistent with that same legislation. Interesting times ahead. -----Original Message----- From: Johan Helsingius [mailto:julf@julf.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 10:54 AM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@team.neustar>; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [council] GAC update Donna,
I don't think the Board has ever formally rejected GAC advice previously, in large > part because the process to do so could take six months or more. If they are > disputing advice on GDPR this puts a lot of pressure on that timeframe.
If the board comes up with an "interim solution", I suppose it is then also up to GAC to decide if they consider it going against GAC advice or not. Julf
So how does this impact the Board's ability to take action? I'm very conscious that we are now 23 days away and we still have nothing clear Contracted parties are implementing what we feel is legally compliant, but the feared "fragmentation" is going to happen -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 01/05/2018, 19:54, "council on behalf of Johan Helsingius" <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org on behalf of julf@julf.com> wrote: On 01-05-18 20:18, Austin, Donna wrote: > Interesting times ahead. Definitely in the Chinese sense... Julf _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
Michele,
So how does this impact the Board's ability to take action? Good question. The way I read
"ICANN’s General Counsel stressed that the triggering of a consultation between ICANN Board and GAC is not time-bound. It is required prior to the ICANN Board taking action that is inconsistent with GAC Advice. Considering the GDPR enforcement timeline, the General Counsel indicated that this would have to occur prior to the ICANN Board approving a “temporary specification”, between now and 24 May 2018." is that the board needs to consult with GAC before introducing a "temporary specification", but that it would have to happen before May 24. Julf
https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/agenda-2018-05-03-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/agenda-2018-05-03-en> A special meeting of the board has now been scheduled: Agenda | Special Meeting of the ICANN Board 03 May 2018 Main Agenda Consideration of GAC Feedback on Proposed Interim Model for GDPR Compliance (8 March 2018) GAC Communiqué, San Juan, PR (15 March 2015) Any Other Business Published on 30 April 2018
On 2 May 2018, at 06:01, Johan Helsingius <julf@julf.com> wrote:
Michele,
So how does this impact the Board's ability to take action? Good question. The way I read
"ICANN’s General Counsel stressed that the triggering of a consultation between ICANN Board and GAC is not time-bound. It is required prior to the ICANN Board taking action that is inconsistent with GAC Advice. Considering the GDPR enforcement timeline, the General Counsel indicated that this would have to occur prior to the ICANN Board approving a “temporary specification”, between now and 24 May 2018."
is that the board needs to consult with GAC before introducing a "temporary specification", but that it would have to happen before May 24.
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Yeah - it's the timing around all that which I find troubling -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 02/05/2018, 10:02, "council on behalf of Johan Helsingius" <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org on behalf of julf@julf.com> wrote: Michele, > So how does this impact the Board's ability to take action? Good question. The way I read "ICANN’s General Counsel stressed that the triggering of a consultation between ICANN Board and GAC is not time-bound. It is required prior to the ICANN Board taking action that is inconsistent with GAC Advice. Considering the GDPR enforcement timeline, the General Counsel indicated that this would have to occur prior to the ICANN Board approving a “temporary specification”, between now and 24 May 2018." is that the board needs to consult with GAC before introducing a "temporary specification", but that it would have to happen before May 24. Julf _______________________________________________ council mailing list council@gnso.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
The board is holding a workshop 11-13 May in Vancouver, Canada. One of the three public sessions is "Review the Board's Responses to the Governmental Advisory Committee's (GAC) Puerto Rico Communiqué" at 17:30-18:15 UTC on 12 May. Remote participation details will be made available on May 7. http://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2018-05-01-en Julf
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Austin, Donna -
Johan Helsingius -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Rubens Kuhl