The real issue is to identify the number of days we need to plan to do work; build that in, make the decision while we are here, and see about booking hotel rooms and a meeting space requirement. I would prefer to do this before the ICANN meeting, as I noted today in Council so that we can then take comment during the Council gNSO public forum. I can't really commit to 4 days, and, as someone who has done a lot of policy development, I don't recommend more than 2 days of such intense work. Two days will in itself be very stressful, and quite intense. I am thinking that actually days of 10-5:00 p.m. are better to commit to but that is a "detail" for more discussion later. . Let's get the two days cemented. _____ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:23 PM To: Ken Stubbs Cc: names council Subject: Re: [council] nz meeting early work days Hi, Leaving Thursday means i can catch most of the IETF meeting. If we meet on Thursday, I have to leave on Tuesday which leaves very little time for IETF and there is not gguarantee that the IDN discussions will all get scheduled on Monday/Tuesday. As for rest, with that long a flight i will have slept at least twice so expect to be fine. that is certainly my experience from previous trips of this sort of duration. Of course I can't speak for others. To go further, I expect that if there are two down days, they will be filled by other work. Now that may a good reason to come on Thursday so there is a chance to work 4 days if we can't finish in 2 days. Or if we want to tackle more of the many issues on our plate, i.e. 2 days on tld, and 2 on other pressing issues. There may also be accounting concerns in this as perhaps not everyone's funders will be willing to fund 2 intermediate down time days. BTW, I do endorse the idea of getting as much work done in the intervening months using whichever tools we can all learn to use. a. On 2 dec 2005, at 16.58, Ken Stubbs wrote: avri... if your planning on going to ietf and you were considering attending the working group meetings, you would have to leave Dallas at the latest on Thursday mar 23 in order to even arrive in Auckland on the 1st day of any proposed weekend meeting . you would have traveled at least 23 hours and arrived the morning of the 1st meeting day (if it was a sat & Sunday meeting).. given that the overwhelming majority of the members of this TF will be flying at least 15 hours to go to new Zealand, i believe that in order to be both physically & mentally "effective" for the entire icann meeting, it is essential that some "down time" be provided for.. this is why i proposed a weekend break prior to the actual meeting start.. regards, Ken