Re: [council] Funding for travel
I agree with Robin. ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org> Cc: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 10:27:26 AM Subject: Re: [council] Funding for travel I think the approach is for full support for all council members. I'm not sure that trying to divide councilors into classes of need and interest is useful in this situation. The organization should simply pay for the work of the organization to be done, which means the travel costs of those expected to participate in policy meetings. Robin Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
While I have made a request to Denise regarding support for travel for remote locations by council members, understanding that most every location is remote to someone, I am not sure what direct action we can take. I have asked for budget consideration for 2008. Does anyone have any suggestions?
For clarification, what level of support we are asking for:
- Full support for all council members equivalent to nomcom appointee level os support - Full support for at least one member from each constituency - Support on an individual need basis. As I understand it, some participants may have already been able to get support on this basis.
One personal comment about nomcom appointee support. For the most part nomcom appointees are outsiders brought into ICANN and are generally not people who would have had professional interest in ICANN had they not been brought in by the Nomcom. Speaking personally, while a registrant and thus a stakeholder without constituency, ICANN was not on my list of professional activities and thus was not something i would have chosen to spent my own income on (i.e., I was content as an outside critic until asked to participate from the inside). I am assuming that those in constituencies and who become active in these constituencies have a professional or advocacy reason for participation. I am not arguing that this disqualifies anyone for support, but am trying to point out that there may be a difference in consideration between nomcom appointee expenses and constituency representative expenses. Also I do not expect that any nomcom appointee get their income from activities relating to ICANN. e.g, I don't. I also wonder whether any of the constituencies provide support for their chosen council members and whether this should be an issue as part of the restructuring effort.
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On 3 dec 2007, at 09.41, Mike Rodenbaugh wrote:
I also support another direct request, and echo Ute’s comments. I doubt that many Councilors outside of the NomComm (who have their expenses paid) and the Registries and Registrars (who have ICANN issues central to their businesses) would be able to make the trips to Delhi or Africa.
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner- council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ute Decker Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 3:09 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] Funding for travel
I very much support that – ideally giving him also an idea of scale. I am among the many who will not be able to attend unless travel cost is covered and this is too important a meeting to miss out on.
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner- council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Philip Sheppard Sent: 03 December 2007 10:59 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Funding for travel
Given that Delhi will soon be upon us, and that Council travel funding is in the ICANN budget, (even though we have repeated this request in our reform submission), should we consider a direct request to the ICANN CEO to authorise release of funds for Delhi ?
Philip
I agree with Robin too. This is exactly the intent. Support no less and no more than nom com. All equal in the sight of the CEO. We hardly need more discussion on this. Council's intent is clear. Lets cut to the chase. Avri, as our elected Chair, please e-mail Paul Twomey CEO and ask him directly for full funding for Delhi. Philip
Hi, I have no issue with writing a note to Paul Twomey, but I have not yet heard form the entire council on this, not even from all of the constituencies. So before I do write a note that says the entire council is asking for something I would like to hear from others. I will add this to the agenda under AOB. In the meantime, I am sure that Denise knows that at least part of the council thinks of this as priority. And also, I would like to ask those who have not spoke up to give some indication of how they feel about this. Thanks a. On 4 dec 2007, at 00.32, Philip Sheppard wrote:
I agree with Robin too. This is exactly the intent. Support no less and no more than nom com. All equal in the sight of the CEO.
We hardly need more discussion on this. Council's intent is clear. Lets cut to the chase.
Avri, as our elected Chair, please e-mail Paul Twomey CEO and ask him directly for full funding for Delhi.
Philip
I absolutely agree with the request for funding and Robin's statement. Barring ICANN funding for travel expenses, I will be unable to attend the Delhi meeting. Kristina -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:18 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Funding for travel Hi, I have no issue with writing a note to Paul Twomey, but I have not yet heard form the entire council on this, not even from all of the constituencies. So before I do write a note that says the entire council is asking for something I would like to hear from others. I will add this to the agenda under AOB. In the meantime, I am sure that Denise knows that at least part of the council thinks of this as priority. And also, I would like to ask those who have not spoke up to give some indication of how they feel about this. Thanks a. On 4 dec 2007, at 00.32, Philip Sheppard wrote:
I agree with Robin too. This is exactly the intent. Support no less and no more than nom com. All equal in the sight of the CEO.
We hardly need more discussion on this. Council's intent is clear. Lets cut to the chase.
Avri, as our elected Chair, please e-mail Paul Twomey CEO and ask him directly for full funding for Delhi.
Philip
I agree with Robin. Best, tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Avri Doria Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Dezember 2007 16:18 An: Council GNSO Betreff: Re: [council] Funding for travel Hi, I have no issue with writing a note to Paul Twomey, but I have not yet heard form the entire council on this, not even from all of the constituencies. So before I do write a note that says the entire council is asking for something I would like to hear from others. I will add this to the agenda under AOB. In the meantime, I am sure that Denise knows that at least part of the council thinks of this as priority. And also, I would like to ask those who have not spoke up to give some indication of how they feel about this. Thanks a. On 4 dec 2007, at 00.32, Philip Sheppard wrote:
I agree with Robin too. This is exactly the intent. Support no less and no more than nom com. All equal in the sight of the CEO.
We hardly need more discussion on this. Council's intent is clear. Lets cut to the chase.
Avri, as our elected Chair, please e-mail Paul Twomey CEO and ask him directly for full funding for Delhi.
Philip
In case I was not heard, I support Robin. It is time funding support be provided by ICANN. Regards Tony Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avri Doria" <avri@psg.com> To: "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [council] Funding for travel
Hi,
I have no issue with writing a note to Paul Twomey, but I have not yet heard form the entire council on this, not even from all of the constituencies. So before I do write a note that says the entire council is asking for something I would like to hear from others.
I will add this to the agenda under AOB. In the meantime, I am sure that Denise knows that at least part of the council thinks of this as priority. And also, I would like to ask those who have not spoke up to give some indication of how they feel about this.
Thanks
a.
On 4 dec 2007, at 00.32, Philip Sheppard wrote:
I agree with Robin too. This is exactly the intent. Support no less and no more than nom com. All equal in the sight of the CEO.
We hardly need more discussion on this. Council's intent is clear. Lets cut to the chase.
Avri, as our elected Chair, please e-mail Paul Twomey CEO and ask him directly for full funding for Delhi.
Philip
In response to Avri's request for others to speak up on this issue, let me enter the discussion. I sent a message to the RyC list today for the purpose of finding out what RyC members thought about ICANN funding all Councilors travel expenses to ICANN meetings. There has already been a pretty good response. Understanding, though, that a lot of RyC members have not yet responded, let me share some of the thoughts that have been communicated: 1. "I am in favor of support for only those councilors that can show a financial need to the assistance, but not a blanket rule providing for giving assistance to all. There is no requirement for all councilors to be at every meeting face to face. It is helpful, but not required." 2. "To me the battle line needs to be accountability. If someone is going to an ICANN meeting on ICANN's dime (or more appropriately gTLD registry, registrar, and registrants fees) then these disbursements should be made public." 3. "I oppose this. . . . Perhaps the money to be used should be put to use in getting each Councilor a webcam and investing in some videoconferencing software." 4. "Having participated in GNSO matters from afar I fail to see the need to spend money in this fashion." 5. "The IETF does not pay for IESG members (Area Directors) to attend IETF meetings. This is sort the parallel of the council in the IETF." 6. "If the duties of the GNSO position require full-time attention, then I could be in favor of travel reimbursement to ICANN meetings. To my knowledge, only the Chair position could be seen as requiring the equivalent of full time attention to GNSO duties. So I would be ok with ICANN reimbursing travel expense for the GNSO Chairperson. I would be strongly opposed to the idea of ICANN reimbursing travel expense for non-FTE GNSO councilors." And now a few questions of my own, motivated by some of the thoughts quoted above from other RyC members. How concerned are we about an ever growing ICANN budget? What responsibility should we in the GNSO assume for managing expenses wisely? Is funding travel to ICANN meetings a higher priority than other funding needs? If we are going to be sound managers of the policy development process, shouldn't we start by getting more information (e.g., cost estimates) before we broadly request that travel expenses be reimbursed for all Councilors? I haven't yet answered all of these questions for myself, but I do think that they are worthy of consideration. In the end, if the RyC has a consensus position, I will support that. In the meantime, I hope that we will avoid the temptation to just become big bureaucratic spenders without good justification. Chuck Gomes "This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify sender immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission."
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:18 AM To: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Funding for travel
Hi,
I have no issue with writing a note to Paul Twomey, but I have not yet heard form the entire council on this, not even from all of the constituencies. So before I do write a note that says the entire council is asking for something I would like to hear from others.
I will add this to the agenda under AOB. In the meantime, I am sure that Denise knows that at least part of the council thinks of this as priority. And also, I would like to ask those who have not spoke up to give some indication of how they feel about this.
Thanks
a.
On 4 dec 2007, at 00.32, Philip Sheppard wrote:
I agree with Robin too. This is exactly the intent. Support no less and no more than nom com. All equal in the sight of the CEO.
We hardly need more discussion on this. Council's intent is clear. Lets cut to the chase.
Avri, as our elected Chair, please e-mail Paul Twomey CEO and ask him directly for full funding for Delhi.
Philip
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Thomas Keller