Thanks Jonathan. I have no problem being available up to 90 minutes tomorrow. Amr On Apr 9, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:

Thanks Amr,

You raise a few good points, not least of which is the time available to achieve what we ideally need to tomorrow.

I am conscious that this meeting was not on our original schedule and has evolved recently.

What I’d like to do is work with an “up to” 90 minute slot for the meeting. It is currently shoe-horned into 60 minutes but I am conscious that this may not be enough.

Accordingly, could all councillors please be prepared to be available for 60 minutes minimum and up to 90 minutes if necessary.

Jonathan

From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 09 April 2014 13:53 To: jrobinson@afilias.info Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr.

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks. It seems reasonable to have Martin Sutton available on tomorrow’s call. I have been trying to catch up on this issue and prepare to be as informed as possible before our discussion tomorrow. We will only have 20 minutes for this purpose on tomorrow’s call as per the posted meeting agenda, so I have doubts about how informed we will be at the meeting’s end.

We will however have time to explore this issue further following the call, and I would like to second the idea Thomas suggested on another thread of reaching out to some of the original WG members to get some insight on the context of the original WG recommendation and discussions leading up to them. Although it seems the .Brand registries model was not taken into consideration at the time, a briefing by the WG members may help us reach a decision on how to proceed with our response to the board.

Thanks.

Amr

On Apr 9, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:

All,

Please see the note below (and associate attachment) from Martin Sutton.

In the interests of achieving our objective tomorrow i.e. being as fully informed as possible, I propose to take him up on his offer of being available to answer questions.

Thanks,

Jonathan

From: martinsutton@hsbc.com [mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com] Sent: 09 April 2014 10:38 To: Jonathan Robinson Subject: BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr.

Dear Jonathan,

I note that the next GNSO Council meeting is scheduled for 10 April and includes a discussion item for Specification 13 and the proposed incorporation of an additional clause, which the NGPC has referred to GNSO.

In order to support these discussions, the Brand Registry Group (BRG) has prepared the following set of FAQs that I trust will assist the GNSO Council's deliberations:

Furthermore, I would be glad to make myself available to join the the telephone meeting on 10 April to answer any resulting or related questions. If this would be helpful, please advise me of the time and contact information.

Finally, you may have already seen that ICANN has recently posted the correspondence from Gretchen Olive, CSC, which was sent through on the morning of the NGPC meeting in Singapore. The correspondence includes letters from 48 .brand applicants, arranged in just a couple of days, urging ICANN to reinstate the exclusive registrar provision. Considering most of these companies are not BRG members and would have had to jump considerable hoops in order to issue public statements of this nature, I think it is useful for the GNSO Council to bear in mind when considering their response to spec 13 - there is a much broader impact than just the BRG. A copy of the correspondence can be found here - http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/olive-to-crocker-et-al-26mar14-e....

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Martin Sutton President, Brand Registry Group

Martin C SUTTON Manager, Group Fraud Risk & Intelligence Global Security & Fraud Risk Level 8,1 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 5AB,United Kingdom __________________________________________________________________

Phone +44 (0)207 991 8074 Mobile +44 (0)777 4556680 Email martinsutton@hsbc.com Website www.hsbc.com

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Hi Volker, Yes…, of course. It is the GNSO and anyone willing to participate in its process (not the Council) who tackle policy issues. But for those of us who weren’t around in 2007, understanding the policy context involved in this topic is helpful in determining (beyond any doubt) what process is the most suitable to follow. I know I’m picking up new stuff as I go along almost on a daily basis!! :) Thanks. Amr On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:

Hi Amr,

the topic on the call tomorrow is intended to define the process by which the GNSO (not the council) should tackle this issue. We therefore should not go into the subject matter too deep. The debate of the subject itself should be reserved to the next proper meeting, when all constituencies had a chance to frame this issue and form an opinion. Even then, our options may be limited by the policy tools at our disposal.

Volker

...

Thanks Amr,

You raise a few good points, not least of which is the time available to achieve what we ideally need to tomorrow.

I am conscious that this meeting was not on our original schedule and has evolved recently.

What I’d like to do is work with an “up to” 90 minute slot for the meeting. It is currently shoe-horned into 60 minutes but I am conscious that this may not be enough.

Accordingly, could all councillors please be prepared to be available for 60 minutes minimum and up to 90 minutes if necessary.

Jonathan

From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 09 April 2014 13:53 To: jrobinson@afilias.info Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr.

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks. It seems reasonable to have Martin Sutton available on tomorrow’s call. I have been trying to catch up on this issue and prepare to be as informed as possible before our discussion tomorrow. We will only have 20 minutes for this purpose on tomorrow’s call as per the posted meeting agenda, so I have doubts about how informed we will be at the meeting’s end.

We will however have time to explore this issue further following the call, and I would like to second the idea Thomas suggested on another thread of reaching out to some of the original WG members to get some insight on the context of the original WG recommendation and discussions leading up to them. Although it seems the .Brand registries model was not taken into consideration at the time, a briefing by the WG members may help us reach a decision on how to proceed with our response to the board.

Thanks.

Amr

On Apr 9, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote:

All,

Please see the note below (and associate attachment) from Martin Sutton.

In the interests of achieving our objective tomorrow i.e. being as fully informed as possible, I propose to take him up on his offer of being available to answer questions.

Thanks,

Jonathan

From: martinsutton@hsbc.com [mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com] Sent: 09 April 2014 10:38 To: Jonathan Robinson Subject: BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr.

Dear Jonathan,

I note that the next GNSO Council meeting is scheduled for 10 April and includes a discussion item for Specification 13 and the proposed incorporation of an additional clause, which the NGPC has referred to GNSO.

In order to support these discussions, the Brand Registry Group (BRG) has prepared the following set of FAQs that I trust will assist the GNSO Council's deliberations:

Furthermore, I would be glad to make myself available to join the the telephone meeting on 10 April to answer any resulting or related questions. If this would be helpful, please advise me of the time and contact information.

Finally, you may have already seen that ICANN has recently posted the correspondence from Gretchen Olive, CSC, which was sent through on the morning of the NGPC meeting in Singapore. The correspondence includes letters from 48 .brand applicants, arranged in just a couple of days, urging ICANN to reinstate the exclusive registrar provision. Considering most of these companies are not BRG members and would have had to jump considerable hoops in order to issue public statements of this nature, I think it is useful for the GNSO Council to bear in mind when considering their response to spec 13 - there is a much broader impact than just the BRG. A copy of the correspondence can be found here - http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/olive-to-crocker-et-al-26mar14-e....

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

Martin Sutton President, Brand Registry Group

Martin C SUTTON Manager, Group Fraud Risk & Intelligence Global Security & Fraud Risk Level 8,1 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 5AB,United Kingdom __________________________________________________________________

Phone +44 (0)207 991 8074 Mobile +44 (0)777 4556680 Email martinsutton@hsbc.com Website www.hsbc.com

__________________________________________________________________ Protect our environment - please only print this if you have to!

************************************************************ HSBC Holdings plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England number 617987 ************************************************************

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Thanks Maria, Amr & Volker, A reminder of my previous post as to the timetable that I believe we need to try to work to as follows: 1. 28 March 2014 - Publication date of minutes of NGPC a. Refers the issue to the GNSO Council and b. Sets clock to start regarding 45 days 2. 10 April 2014 - GNSO Council Meeting a. Become as well-briefed as possible and b. Ask initial questions / have the discussion to clarify the position 3. 10 April to 8 May 2014 - Inter-meeting period a. Provides for any supplementary information gathering and b. Discussion / further discussion in groups / constituencies and c. Discussion on council list and (to work within the 45 days) d. Drafting of a response 4. 28 April 2014 - Motion deadline for next GNSO meeting 5. 8 May 2014 - GNSO Meeting a. Opportunity to conclude a position in time to meet 45 day deadline or b. Agree to request an extension 6. 12 May 2014 - 45 day deadline Recognising that by our 10 April meeting, you may not yet have had time to become fully informed or consult within your groups, I suggest we focus that discussion on establishing the background and facts. From: Maria Farrell [mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2014 14:55 To: Amr Elsadr Cc: Volker Greimann; Jonathan Robinson; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr. Hi all, I've got no particular axe to grind either on this issue - just an awareness it's something I don't have much substantive knowledge about. So I think I'm in a similar position to Amr in wanting to be well informed, but that my interest doesn't make any presumptions about what the Council's role might be. In any case, I'm happy to be available for a longer call tomorrow. Many thanks, Maria On 9 April 2014 14:42, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: Hi Volker, Yes., of course. It is the GNSO and anyone willing to participate in its process (not the Council) who tackle policy issues. But for those of us who weren't around in 2007, understanding the policy context involved in this topic is helpful in determining (beyond any doubt) what process is the most suitable to follow. I know I'm picking up new stuff as I go along almost on a daily basis!! :) Thanks. Amr On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: Hi Amr, the topic on the call tomorrow is intended to define the process by which the GNSO (not the council) should tackle this issue. We therefore should not go into the subject matter too deep. The debate of the subject itself should be reserved to the next proper meeting, when all constituencies had a chance to frame this issue and form an opinion. Even then, our options may be limited by the policy tools at our disposal. Volker Thanks Amr, You raise a few good points, not least of which is the time available to achieve what we ideally need to tomorrow. I am conscious that this meeting was not on our original schedule and has evolved recently. What I'd like to do is work with an "up to" 90 minute slot for the meeting. It is currently shoe-horned into 60 minutes but I am conscious that this may not be enough. Accordingly, could all councillors please be prepared to be available for 60 minutes minimum and up to 90 minutes if necessary. Jonathan From: Amr Elsadr [ <mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org> mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 09 April 2014 13:53 To: <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> jrobinson@afilias.info Cc: <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr. Hi Jonathan, Thanks. It seems reasonable to have Martin Sutton available on tomorrow's call. I have been trying to catch up on this issue and prepare to be as informed as possible before our discussion tomorrow. We will only have 20 minutes for this purpose on tomorrow's call as per the posted meeting agenda, so I have doubts about how informed we will be at the meeting's end. We will however have time to explore this issue further following the call, and I would like to second the idea Thomas suggested on another thread of reaching out to some of the original WG members to get some insight on the context of the original WG recommendation and discussions leading up to them. Although it seems the .Brand registries model was not taken into consideration at the time, a briefing by the WG members may help us reach a decision on how to proceed with our response to the board. Thanks. Amr On Apr 9, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Robinson < <mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info> jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote: All, Please see the note below (and associate attachment) from Martin Sutton. In the interests of achieving our objective tomorrow i.e. being as fully informed as possible, I propose to take him up on his offer of being available to answer questions. Thanks, Jonathan From: <mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com> martinsutton@hsbc.com [ <mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com> mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com] Sent: 09 April 2014 10:38 To: Jonathan Robinson Subject: BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr. Dear Jonathan, I note that the next GNSO Council meeting is scheduled for 10 April and includes a discussion item for Specification 13 and the proposed incorporation of an additional clause, which the NGPC has referred to GNSO. In order to support these discussions, the Brand Registry Group (BRG) has prepared the following set of FAQs that I trust will assist the GNSO Council's deliberations: Furthermore, I would be glad to make myself available to join the the telephone meeting on 10 April to answer any resulting or related questions. If this would be helpful, please advise me of the time and contact information. Finally, you may have already seen that ICANN has recently posted the correspondence from Gretchen Olive, CSC, which was sent through on the morning of the NGPC meeting in Singapore. The correspondence includes letters from 48 .brand applicants, arranged in just a couple of days, urging ICANN to reinstate the exclusive registrar provision. Considering most of these companies are not BRG members and would have had to jump considerable hoops in order to issue public statements of this nature, I think it is useful for the GNSO Council to bear in mind when considering their response to spec 13 - there is a much broader impact than just the BRG. A copy of the correspondence can be found here - <http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/olive-to-crocker-et-al-26mar14- en.pdf> http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/olive-to-crocker-et-al-26mar14-e n.pdf. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Martin Sutton President, Brand Registry Group Martin C SUTTON Manager, Group Fraud Risk & Intelligence Global Security & Fraud Risk Level 8,1 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 5AB,United Kingdom __________________________________________________________________ Phone +44 (0)207 991 8074 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29207%20991%208074> Mobile +44 (0)777 4556680 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29777%204556680> Email <mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com> martinsutton@hsbc.com Website <http://www.hsbc.com/> www.hsbc.com __________________________________________________________________ Protect our environment - please only print this if you have to! ************************************************************ HSBC Holdings plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England number 617987 ************************************************************ ************************************************************ HSBC Holdings plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England number 617987 ************************************************************ ----------------------------------------- SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. <BRG FAQ Spec 13 registrar.pdf>

Thanks Klaus, Re: ".what happens if a brand gTLD decides down the road to give up exclusivity and become available for general use ..." I believe that this has been envisaged and the special provisions would drop away but this is type of clarity is necessary and what we should aim to achieve from the information gathering component of this. Jonathan From: Klaus Stoll [mailto:kdrstoll@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2014 15:11 To: jrobinson@afilias.info; 'Amr Elsadr' Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr. Dear GNSO council Available for up to 90 minutes. BTW: what happens if a brand gTLD decides down the road to give up exclusivity and become available for general use, at some poiunt that might make perfect business sense. Like Amr I don't like the process used but then again they will say the GNSO is too slow, just because we follow the rules. Cheers Klaus On 4/9/2014 1:58 PM, Jonathan Robinson wrote: Thanks Amr, You raise a few good points, not least of which is the time available to achieve what we ideally need to tomorrow. I am conscious that this meeting was not on our original schedule and has evolved recently. What I'd like to do is work with an "up to" 90 minute slot for the meeting. It is currently shoe-horned into 60 minutes but I am conscious that this may not be enough. Accordingly, could all councillors please be prepared to be available for 60 minutes minimum and up to 90 minutes if necessary. Jonathan From: Amr Elsadr [mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org] Sent: 09 April 2014 13:53 To: jrobinson@afilias.info Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr. Hi Jonathan, Thanks. It seems reasonable to have Martin Sutton available on tomorrow's call. I have been trying to catch up on this issue and prepare to be as informed as possible before our discussion tomorrow. We will only have 20 minutes for this purpose on tomorrow's call as per the posted meeting agenda, so I have doubts about how informed we will be at the meeting's end. We will however have time to explore this issue further following the call, and I would like to second the idea Thomas suggested on another thread of reaching out to some of the original WG members to get some insight on the context of the original WG recommendation and discussions leading up to them. Although it seems the .Brand registries model was not taken into consideration at the time, a briefing by the WG members may help us reach a decision on how to proceed with our response to the board. Thanks. Amr On Apr 9, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> wrote: All, Please see the note below (and associate attachment) from Martin Sutton. In the interests of achieving our objective tomorrow i.e. being as fully informed as possible, I propose to take him up on his offer of being available to answer questions. Thanks, Jonathan From: <mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com> martinsutton@hsbc.com [ <mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com> mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com] Sent: 09 April 2014 10:38 To: Jonathan Robinson Subject: BRG FAQ Specification 13 - GNSO Council Discussion 10 Apr. Dear Jonathan, I note that the next GNSO Council meeting is scheduled for 10 April and includes a discussion item for Specification 13 and the proposed incorporation of an additional clause, which the NGPC has referred to GNSO. In order to support these discussions, the Brand Registry Group (BRG) has prepared the following set of FAQs that I trust will assist the GNSO Council's deliberations: Furthermore, I would be glad to make myself available to join the the telephone meeting on 10 April to answer any resulting or related questions. If this would be helpful, please advise me of the time and contact information. Finally, you may have already seen that ICANN has recently posted the correspondence from Gretchen Olive, CSC, which was sent through on the morning of the NGPC meeting in Singapore. The correspondence includes letters from 48 .brand applicants, arranged in just a couple of days, urging ICANN to reinstate the exclusive registrar provision. Considering most of these companies are not BRG members and would have had to jump considerable hoops in order to issue public statements of this nature, I think it is useful for the GNSO Council to bear in mind when considering their response to spec 13 - there is a much broader impact than just the BRG. A copy of the correspondence can be found here - <http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/olive-to-crocker-et-al-26mar14- en.pdf> http://www.icann.org/en/news/correspondence/olive-to-crocker-et-al-26mar14-e n.pdf. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Martin Sutton President, Brand Registry Group Martin C SUTTON Manager, Group Fraud Risk & Intelligence Global Security & Fraud Risk Level 8,1 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 5AB,United Kingdom __________________________________________________________________ Phone +44 (0)207 991 8074 Mobile +44 (0)777 4556680 Email <mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com> martinsutton@hsbc.com Website <http://www.hsbc.com/> www.hsbc.com __________________________________________________________________ Protect our environment - please only print this if you have to! ************************************************************ HSBC Holdings plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England number 617987 ************************************************************ ************************************************************ HSBC Holdings plc Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom Registered in England number 617987 ************************************************************ ----------------------------------------- SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. <BRG FAQ Spec 13 registrar.pdf>