Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Councillors, As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf. Thanks, Stéphane Début du message réexpédié :
De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________
Carlton, Rafik,
Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you.
The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19.
Please let me know if you are able to attend.
Thanks,
Stéphane
________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group provide us with the update. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166 ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair Councillors, As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf. Thanks, Stéphane Début du message réexpédié : De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org<mailto:Glen@icann.org>> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org>" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org>> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________ Carlton, Rafik, Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you. The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19. Please let me know if you are able to attend. Thanks, Stéphane ________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org
Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting. It would have been better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and then publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up. In fact, as I've argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the front end, before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as discussion leaders will be able to attend and will have something to report. Bill On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group provide us with the update.
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Councillors,
As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Début du message réexpédié :
De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________
Carlton, Rafik,
Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you.
The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19.
Please let me know if you are able to attend.
Thanks,
Stéphane
________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
Thanks Bill. This checking was done. As I explained when we got to that agenda item during the meeting yesterday, Rafik told us that he would not attend so we were aware of that. But because there were requests to discuss JAS from others, it was decided to keep that item on the agenda. The message I sent as a follow-up after the meeting was as agreed and requested during the Council meeting, to ask both Rafik and Carlton if they would be willing to provide a JAS update at our next meeting. They have both responded since that message. I am sorry you feel Rafik was lambasted. It was certainly not my intent. Thanks, Stéphane Le 29 avr. 2011 à 08:15, William Drake a écrit :
Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting. It would have been better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and then publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up. In fact, as I've argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the front end, before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as discussion leaders will be able to attend and will have something to report.
Bill
On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group provide us with the update.
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Councillors,
As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Début du message réexpédié :
De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________
Carlton, Rafik,
Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you.
The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19.
Please let me know if you are able to attend.
Thanks,
Stéphane
________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
Hi Stéphane On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
Thanks Bill.
This checking was done. As I explained when we got to that agenda item during the meeting yesterday, Rafik told us that he would not attend so we were aware of that. But because there were requests to discuss JAS from others, it was decided to keep that item on the agenda.
To repeat for thread closure what we just discussed at the coffee break here in Budapest, It's good to hear there was prior checking; as there have been similar cases I know of in which there wasn't, and absent info the contrary, I assumed this was the same dynamic. That said, if one knows in advance that a colleague won't be able to make a meeting, it seems a tad odd to post hoc write on list expressing disappointment and suggesting everyone had been inconvenienced.
The message I sent as a follow-up after the meeting was as agreed and requested during the Council meeting, to ask both Rafik and Carlton if they would be willing to provide a JAS update at our next meeting. They have both responded since that message.
I am sorry you feel Rafik was lambasted. It was certainly not my intent.
I'm sure that's true, but think other wording would have better reflected your intentions by casting things in a neutral manner, e.g. instead of "the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our call, where we had set aside an agenda item and were looking forward to being updated by you," something like "sorry you were unable to attend the meeting, we look forward to you providing an update on the next call." So ok, on the same page, onward and upward.. Cheers Bill
Le 29 avr. 2011 à 08:15, William Drake a écrit :
Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting. It would have been better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and then publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up. In fact, as I've argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the front end, before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as discussion leaders will be able to attend and will have something to report.
Bill
On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group provide us with the update.
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166
The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Councillors,
As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Début du message réexpédié :
De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair
Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________
Carlton, Rafik,
Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you.
The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19.
Please let me know if you are able to attend.
Thanks,
Stéphane
________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
Bill, I know you wanted your post to close the thread, but just to defend Stephane, his e-mail and messaging was discussed with the Council on the call yesterday and there was consensus on the call for that particular message to be sent. So, perhaps your message is really meant to those that were on the call yesterday as opposed to the Chair. Again, given the incredibly tight timing, perhaps we can request a written report even prior to the next meeting. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166 ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:02 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: Neuman, Jeff; council@gnso.icann.org GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair Hi Stéphane On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote: Thanks Bill. This checking was done. As I explained when we got to that agenda item during the meeting yesterday, Rafik told us that he would not attend so we were aware of that. But because there were requests to discuss JAS from others, it was decided to keep that item on the agenda. To repeat for thread closure what we just discussed at the coffee break here in Budapest, It's good to hear there was prior checking; as there have been similar cases I know of in which there wasn't, and absent info the contrary, I assumed this was the same dynamic. That said, if one knows in advance that a colleague won't be able to make a meeting, it seems a tad odd to post hoc write on list expressing disappointment and suggesting everyone had been inconvenienced. The message I sent as a follow-up after the meeting was as agreed and requested during the Council meeting, to ask both Rafik and Carlton if they would be willing to provide a JAS update at our next meeting. They have both responded since that message. I am sorry you feel Rafik was lambasted. It was certainly not my intent. I'm sure that's true, but think other wording would have better reflected your intentions by casting things in a neutral manner, e.g. instead of "the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our call, where we had set aside an agenda item and were looking forward to being updated by you," something like "sorry you were unable to attend the meeting, we look forward to you providing an update on the next call." So ok, on the same page, onward and upward.. Cheers Bill Le 29 avr. 2011 à 08:15, William Drake a écrit : Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting. It would have been better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and then publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up. In fact, as I've argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the front end, before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as discussion leaders will be able to attend and will have something to report. Bill On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote: Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group provide us with the update. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166 ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> GNSO Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair Councillors, As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf. Thanks, Stéphane Début du message réexpédié : De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org<mailto:Glen@icann.org>> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org>" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org>> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________ Carlton, Rafik, Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you. The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19. Please let me know if you are able to attend. Thanks, Stéphane ________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org<http://gnso.icann.org/>
Bill, I disagree. The point was to get an update since the work is moving so quickly and timeframes are too tight. If they could not be present, then I don't believe it is unreasonable to receive a written report (as has been done in the past). Best regards, Jeff Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@graduateinstitute.ch] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 02:15 AM To: Neuman, Jeff Cc: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; council@gnso.icann.org GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting. It would have been better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and then publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up. In fact, as I've argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the front end, before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as discussion leaders will be able to attend and will have something to report. Bill On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote: Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group provide us with the update. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy Please note new address: 21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166 ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> GNSO Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair Councillors, As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf. Thanks, Stéphane Début du message réexpédié : De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@icann.org<mailto:Glen@icann.org>> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>>, "gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org>" <gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org>> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder _____________________________________________________________ Carlton, Rafik, Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's work by you. The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next meeting on May 19. Please let me know if you are able to attend. Thanks, Stéphane ________________________ Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org<http://gnso.icann.org/>
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