Dear Keith and everyone, Apropos of the specific point made by Jeff that “CCWG’s are not the place where policy is developed both with respect to the GNSO as well as the ccNSO. If there are policies developed through a CCWG, they would just have to be referred to both the GNSO Council to commence a PDP as well as the ccNSO Council for their own policy development process”, staff thought it may be helpful (especially for newer members of the Council and community) to mention that in 2016 the ccNSO and GNSO Councils formally approved a Uniform Framework of Principles for Cross-Community Working Groups. The Framework specifically notes that a CCWG “is not the proper vehicle for formal policy development where such authority has been granted under the ICANN Bylaws to a specific Supporting Organization”, among other guidance relating to initiation and scoping etc. You can find the final set of principles here: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/2016-12/un.... There is also a process flow diagram and user guide available here: https://gnso.icann.org/issues/ccwg/ccwg-recommendations-framework-principles.... Cheers Steve & Mary From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "Drazek, Keith via council" <council@gnso.icann.org> Reply-To: "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com> Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 17:53 To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [council] FW: Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs Hi all, I am forwarding this email to the full Council list for consideration and discussion during our upcoming meeting. This was raised by Jeff Neuman during our Marrakech Council meeting as an outstanding action item from the pre-ICANN 65 webinar. Please see his email below, as flagged by Flip last week. Thanks, Keith From: Flip Petillion <fpetillion@petillion.law> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:59 PM To: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com>; Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org>; Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] FW: Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs Dear all, This came up at the Sub Pro Leadership call today. I think it would be helpful for Jeff and Cheryl if the GNSO Council takes a view on this. Best Flip Flip Petillion fpetillion@petillion.law<mailto:fpetillion@petillion.law> +32484652653 www.petillion.law [petillion.law]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.petillion.law&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=qUl3yt6KhYRxWKAY2J6ZSNvNOnKnp8KjutdLAwiEBmQ&s=Q6ZCPinXV8foZp4H7Ne2GUzKY3wJu9vaXl_AUTkmvnk&e=> [signature_939337310][petillion.law]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.petillion.law_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=qUl3yt6KhYRxWKAY2J6ZSNvNOnKnp8KjutdLAwiEBmQ&s=IwEQi_Ct_esDkt_3J_vf0DvvLQLOsorkJ-GDU3fmbGo&e=> Attorneys – Advocaten - Avocats From: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Date: Wednesday, 10 July 2019 at 22:51 To: Flip Petillion <fpetillion@petillion.law<mailto:fpetillion@petillion.law>>, "elsa.saade@gmail.com<mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com>" <elsa.saade@gmail.com<mailto:elsa.saade@gmail.com>> Subject: FW: Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus 1751 Pinnacle Drive , Suite 600 Mclean , VA 22102 UNITED STATES T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 CONFIRMATION OF ORDERS: Please note that we always confirm receipt of orders. To assist us in identifying orders, please use the word ORDER in the subject line of your email. If you have sent us an order and have not received confirmation on the same working day (PST) it is possible that your order has not been received or has been trapped by our spam filter. In this case, please contact your client manager or admin@comlaude.com<mailto:admin@comlaude.com> for confirmation that the order has been received and is being processed. Thank you. From: Jeff Neuman Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 12:21 PM To: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>>; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>) (langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>) <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>>; pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>>; Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: RE: Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs Keith, It has occurred to me that although you and I chatted about this previously in Bangkok during the GDD Summit, we have not responded back to you formally on this subject. Cheryl and I have had the opportunity to discuss this with the SubPro leadership team and we stand by our original position, namely, that at this point in time we would not support the creation of a Cross Community Working Group on this issue. There are several reasons why we do not believe that the creation of a CCWG is the right venue to have these discussions. First, as you know, the topic of string similarity has already been the topic of a number of conversations within our Working Group (both in Sub-Teams and as a full group). We have also had a section on String Similarity in our initial report and solicited comment back on the topic. We are getting towards the development of our final recommendations on this topic within the next several weeks. Second, our PDP, like all PDPs, is open to any one that wants to participate. We do have some representatives from the ccNSO participating and more are welcome to participate should they wish to do so. Third, the ccTLD Fast Track analysis of similarity as represented in its Fast Track Final report (https://ccnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/filefield_37897/idn-ccpdp-final-... [ccnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ccnso.icann.org_sites_default_files_filefield-5F37897_idn-2Dccpdp-2Dfinal-2D29mar13-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=qUl3yt6KhYRxWKAY2J6ZSNvNOnKnp8KjutdLAwiEBmQ&s=Yempye16p6IV2CRk1W6MTbY8gYJ6zP7xqnrsjlp58S8&e=>) is incredibly different than the standard used by ICANN evaluators in the 2012 round. Not only is this true with respect to the process followed, but also in the standards applied and the remedies available where similarity is found. Fourth, in the gTLD space, string similarity should not be viewed in isolation, but rather in conjunction with the right to object by third parties. The objection process is unique to the gTLD landscape and is not relevant to the ccTLD Fast Track. Finally, CCWG’s are not the place where policy is developed both with respect to the GNSO as well as the ccNSO. If there are policies developed through a CCWG, they would just have to be referred to both the GNSO Council to commence a PDP as well as the ccNSO Council for their own policy development process. Thus, a CCWG would introduce a number of potential time delays into the process which is already well underway y our PDP. With this note, we are not saying that some form of collaboration on the issues that may overlap, but rather to the extent that those discussions should take place, it should be in this already existing PDP. Please feel free to pass this on to the rest of the Council. We can discuss further with you at ICANN 65. Best regards, Jeffrey J. 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From: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:32 PM To: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>>; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>) (langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>) <langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>>; pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>; Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org<mailto:steve.chan@icann.org>>; Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: Re: Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs Thanks Keith. Cheryl and I will discuss this week and let you know our recommendation. As you may be aware, our PDP has already done some work on this issue, including several public comment periods and we have reached out to the ccNSO for its comments. We would ask the GNSO Council give us time this week to discuss within the leadership team before making any commitments to the ccNSO. Best regards, Jeff Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus 1751 Pinnacle Drive Suite 600, McLean VA 22102, USA M: +1.202.549.5079 D: +1.703.635.7514 E: jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> www.comlaude.com [comlaude.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.comlaude.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=qUl3yt6KhYRxWKAY2J6ZSNvNOnKnp8KjutdLAwiEBmQ&s=SquvJuQB1YcQ4pWfdZSNZSdlyhICcdMH4XSlv-eJyto&e=> [cid:image001.jpg@01D51D29.C46A40A0] ________________________________ From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com<mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com>> Sent: 26 April 2019 20:48 To: Jeff Neuman; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>) (langdonorr@gmail.com<mailto:langdonorr@gmail.com>); pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>; rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs Hi Jeff and Cheryl, I’m following up on Action Items from the GNSO Council meetings in Kobe. During our engagement with the ccNSO, we had discussions concerning the Harmonization of String Similarity in gTLDs and ccTLDs. The transcripts of that session are here: https://static.ptbl.co/static/attachments/200777/1552352565.pdf?1552352565 [static.ptbl.co]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__static.ptbl.co_static_attachments_200777_1552352565.pdf-3F1552352565&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=qUl3yt6KhYRxWKAY2J6ZSNvNOnKnp8KjutdLAwiEBmQ&s=4XqsmnUd5HmT1otjs9HyXj0s2F9xe3N1H-qrr98L4qw&e=> The slide deck presentation is attached. We need to coordinate on next steps. The ccNSO suggested the possibility of a CCWG on the issue. Please advise the Council on your views of next steps and the possible interaction of the SubPro group in this effort. Best, Keith ________________________________ The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. 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