Meeting Invitation | Modifying gTLD Consensus Policies with ICANN Org, GNSO Council and SG/C Chairs | Wednesday, 04 May 2022 at 13:00 UTC
Dear all, The Modifying gTLD Consensus Policies with ICANN Org, GNSO Council and SG/C Chairs is scheduled on Wednesday, 04 May 2022 at 13:00 UTC for 90 minutes. Before joining the call: Please be sure you have read the Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_expected-2Dstandards-2D2016-2D06-2D28-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=Q2CoD1pIwCmm4slfY72x_Xyw25Rd2h1hba3UF0qUYV8&s=mp7QxpMBFJ5C_S_xAdAd4-kLGXmGVphmAi57mIgVwjg&e=> Check your time zone: https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6 Please notify the GNSO Secretariat in advance if a dial out call is needed, gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Please click the link below to join the webinar: https://icann.zoom.us/j/92367136025?pwd=U0c1dERHZ1FZT2g2Vzgzem9oRnZzdz09 Passcode: j41+?PYCmD One tap mobile : US: +13126266799,,92367136025#,,,,*2738479768# or +19294362866,,92367136025#,,,,*2738479768# Webinar ID: 923 6713 6025 Passcode: 2738479768 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adOEQ06SWh Observers are welcome to join, they will be in a read-only and listen-only mode. Thank you. Kind Regards, Terri
Thanks Terri and Hi Everyone: It is likely I will miss tonight’s meeting due to a schedule conflict (the first hour anyway). My comment on the proposed document governing Modification of gTLD Consensus Policies: It seems incongruous that the Council can modify a Council-approved set of recommendations, but is essentially barred from having a substantive discussion on the same issues prior to the approval. The Council role in considering policy recommendations for approval is limited to determining whether the Working Group followed the prescribed process. Given that limitation, the Council could not entertain a discussion of the possible collision between the new recommendations and existing policy. Then, according to this draft that we are considering, the instant the Council approves the recommendation, it can discuss amendment of the same recommendations. I think the draft is fine but should make an allowance for sending the recommendations back to the Working Group before approval if the Council sees a collision with some other policy or for any other reason. The PDP should be amended to allow the Council to conduct substantive discussions in cases where the Council deems they would be efficient and are necessary. I hope this is clear and makes sense. Best regards, Kurt
On Apr 27, 2022, at 2:06 AM, Terri Agnew via council <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote:
Dear all,
The Modifying gTLD Consensus Policies with ICANN Org, GNSO Council and SG/C Chairs is scheduled on Wednesday, 04 May 2022 at 13:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Before joining the call: Please be sure you have read the Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_expected-2Dstandards-2D2016-2D06-2D28-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=Q2CoD1pIwCmm4slfY72x_Xyw25Rd2h1hba3UF0qUYV8&s=mp7QxpMBFJ5C_S_xAdAd4-kLGXmGVphmAi57mIgVwjg&e=> Check your time zone: https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6 <https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6>
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Observers are welcome to join, they will be in a read-only and listen-only mode.
Thank you. Kind Regards,
Terri
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I agree fundamentally to the concerns you raise here, Kurt. I think a possible solution which keeps the Council’s role as it is today and addresses concerns of policy recommendations modifying existing policies will be to (a) modify the chattering template to ask the working groups to perform a test for every recommendation whether it modifies existing policies; (b) cater for the working groups to discuss such potential modification; and (c) amend the PDP draft/final report templates to also cater for the reporting of modifications. Warmly, Tomslin On Wed, 4 May 2022, 15:55 Kurt Pritz via council, <council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Thanks Terri and Hi Everyone:
It is likely I will miss tonight’s meeting due to a schedule conflict (the first hour anyway).
My comment on the proposed document governing Modification of gTLD Consensus Policies:
It seems incongruous that the Council can modify a Council-approved set of recommendations, but is essentially barred from having a substantive discussion on the same issues prior to the approval.
The Council role in considering policy recommendations for approval is limited to determining whether the Working Group followed the prescribed process. Given that limitation, the Council could not entertain a discussion of the possible collision between the new recommendations and existing policy. Then, according to this draft that we are considering, the instant the Council approves the recommendation, it can discuss amendment of the same recommendations.
I think the draft is fine but should make an allowance for sending the recommendations back to the Working Group before approval if the Council sees a collision with some other policy or for any other reason. The PDP should be amended to allow the Council to conduct substantive discussions in cases where the Council deems they would be efficient and are necessary.
I hope this is clear and makes sense.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Apr 27, 2022, at 2:06 AM, Terri Agnew via council < council@gnso.icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
The Modifying gTLD Consensus Policies with ICANN Org, GNSO Council and SG/C Chairs is scheduled on Wednesday, 04 May 2022 at 13:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
*Before joining the call: * Please be sure you have read the *Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_expected-2Dstandards-2D2016-2D06-2D28-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=Q2CoD1pIwCmm4slfY72x_Xyw25Rd2h1hba3UF0qUYV8&s=mp7QxpMBFJ5C_S_xAdAd4-kLGXmGVphmAi57mIgVwjg&e=>* Check your time zone*:** https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6 <https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6>*
Please notify the GNSO Secretariat in advance if a dial out call is needed, *gnso-secs@icann.org* <gnso-secs@icann.org>
*Please click the link below to join the webinar*: https://icann.zoom.us/j/92367136025?pwd=U0c1dERHZ1FZT2g2Vzgzem9oRnZzdz09 Passcode: j41+?PYCmD
One tap mobile : US: +13126266799,,92367136025#,,,,*2738479768# or +19294362866,,92367136025#,,,,*2738479768#
Webinar ID: 923 6713 6025 Passcode: 2738479768 International numbers available: https://icann.zoom.us/u/adOEQ06SWh
*Observers are welcome to join, they will be in a read-only and listen-only mode. *
Thank you. Kind Regards,
Terri
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Hi Tomslin: Thanks for engaging prior to the meeting! I think your solution, while complete on paper, might impose an undue or impossible burden on working groups and PDP teams. From personal experience, I know the Phase 1 EPDP Team on Registration Data was both spent and had no interest in diving into the conflicts. In hindsight, such a consideration would likely have doubled the Phase I timeline. In addition, an uninterested team will not fashion effective solutions. I say “impossible” because, the PDP teams might not have the necessary expertise to resolve the conflicts. (I’d say likely not.) Experts on registration data might not be experts on the transfer policy. I think there should be flexibility in the process — each one of these instances will be different. The working group should have the flexibility to address the issue if so inclined and capable. The Council should be able to fashion other approaches depending on the situation and (if it makes sense) be able to have that substantive discussion prior to approving the recommendations. I hope this is helpful in some way. Thank you again, Kurt
On May 4, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree fundamentally to the concerns you raise here, Kurt.
I think a possible solution which keeps the Council’s role as it is today and addresses concerns of policy recommendations modifying existing policies will be to (a) modify the chattering template to ask the working groups to perform a test for every recommendation whether it modifies existing policies; (b) cater for the working groups to discuss such potential modification; and (c) amend the PDP draft/final report templates to also cater for the reporting of modifications.
Warmly, Tomslin
On Wed, 4 May 2022, 15:55 Kurt Pritz via council, <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote: Thanks Terri and Hi Everyone:
It is likely I will miss tonight’s meeting due to a schedule conflict (the first hour anyway).
My comment on the proposed document governing Modification of gTLD Consensus Policies:
It seems incongruous that the Council can modify a Council-approved set of recommendations, but is essentially barred from having a substantive discussion on the same issues prior to the approval.
The Council role in considering policy recommendations for approval is limited to determining whether the Working Group followed the prescribed process. Given that limitation, the Council could not entertain a discussion of the possible collision between the new recommendations and existing policy. Then, according to this draft that we are considering, the instant the Council approves the recommendation, it can discuss amendment of the same recommendations.
I think the draft is fine but should make an allowance for sending the recommendations back to the Working Group before approval if the Council sees a collision with some other policy or for any other reason. The PDP should be amended to allow the Council to conduct substantive discussions in cases where the Council deems they would be efficient and are necessary.
I hope this is clear and makes sense.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Apr 27, 2022, at 2:06 AM, Terri Agnew via council <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> wrote:
Dear all,
The Modifying gTLD Consensus Policies with ICANN Org, GNSO Council and SG/C Chairs is scheduled on Wednesday, 04 May 2022 at 13:00 UTC for 90 minutes.
Before joining the call: Please be sure you have read the Expected Standards of Behavior <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_expected-2Dstandards-2D2016-2D06-2D28-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=Q2CoD1pIwCmm4slfY72x_Xyw25Rd2h1hba3UF0qUYV8&s=mp7QxpMBFJ5C_S_xAdAd4-kLGXmGVphmAi57mIgVwjg&e=> Check your time zone: https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6 <https://tinyurl.com/s9bznnp6>
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Observers are welcome to join, they will be in a read-only and listen-only mode.
Thank you. Kind Regards,
Terri
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participants (3)
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Kurt Pritz -
Terri Agnew -
Tomslin Samme-Nlar