Mike, The RyC has specifically defined membership: members have to have a registry agreement with ICANN. It does not make sense to use the RyC as an example for a user constituency. At the same time, what if there are a bunch of new city gTLDs that want to form their own constituency. As long as they can show that there is strong interest from the city gTLD operators and that they have a plan for representing them, then fine. There are tens of thousands of solo attorneys around the world. So 20 solo attorneys wanting to form a constituency would need to show that there is reasonable interest from the broader community of solo attorneys and they have a plan for representing them. Chuck

-----Original Message----- From: Mike Rodenbaugh [mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:13 PM To: Gomes, Chuck; owner-council@gnso.icann.org; Philip Sheppard; GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Impovements plan - a comment on the compositon of the OSC

What is reasonable. Now the RyC has less than 20 members, right. So if i get 20 solo attorneys together, we are in?

------Original Message------ From: Chuck Gomes Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org To: Philip Sheppard To: GNSO Council Sent: Oct 10, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: RE: [council] Impovements plan - a comment on the compositon of the OSC

As long as the group meets minimal, measurable criteria including evidence that there is support from a reasonable number of members from the community to be represented, they should be included.

Chuck

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-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Philip Sheppard Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:53 AM To: 'Council GNSO' Subject: [council] Impovements plan - a comment on the compositon of the OSC

Avri, re your concern about excluding constituencies in formation.

I will shortly be applying for a new constituency on behalf of the "Members of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" (ref: http://www.venganza.org/ )

I regard any cynicism as to this not being a serious application as an affront to my religious faith. See Dawson, Richard " The God Delusion" for an explication of the theological arguments.

I trust you will review this application as "serious" : ref' Doria, Avri " "I believe that once a serious group of organizers have declared themselves publicly.." )

Philip

PS I trust you see my point concerning the problem with any judgement of "serious".

Mike Rodenbaugh Rodenbaugh Law