I like this: Successful specifications will provide some benefit to all the relevant parties because standards do not represent a zero-sum game. However, there are sometimes situations where there is a conflict between the needs of two (or more) parties. In these situations, when one of those parties is an "end user" of the Internet -- for example, a person using a web browser, mail client, or another agent that connects to the Internet -- the Internet Architecture Board argues that the IETF should favor their interests over those of other parties. De: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> En nombre de Jonathan Zuck Enviado el: sábado, 29 de agosto de 2020 17:22 Para: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com> CC: cpwg@icann.org Asunto: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users And in the near term, Holly might want to bring it up during her DOH webinar... Jonathan Zuck Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> _____ From: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com <mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 4:20:10 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> > Cc: cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> > Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users Thank you David, @Jonathan, it is worth discussing RFC8890 at at-large. On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> > wrote: Thanks David. Very interesting. The At-Large DOES operate on some principles, for sure and this has lead to disagreements with others in things like GDPR compliance and indigenous interests to domain names. It's difficult to be so out numbered but I'll be interested to see where this goes. Thanks for sharing. Jonathan _____ From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org> > on behalf of David Mackey <mackey361@gmail.com <mailto:mackey361@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:49:29 PM To: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org> > Subject: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users FYI: The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) recently published RFC: 8890 - The Internet is for End Users which some people in the CPWG may find interesting. The RFC highlights a number of important policy/standards areas that overlap with At-Large policy creation. The IAB seems to feel its important for IETF standards to be developed under the guidance of explicitly stated principles. The idea of policy making being guided by explicitly stated principles is something that the At-Large community may wish to consider too. RFC 8890 - The Internet is for End Users <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8890> Mark Nottingham <https://www.mnot.net/blog/2020/08/28/for_the_users> s Blog Post which describes the reasons for publishing RFC 8890. Cheers! David _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org <mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. --