Definitely. I wasn't taking offense, just saying we HAVE endeavored to take on some principles.  The challenge is that our work begins where this RFC ends. We START with the notion that individual end users should come first and have to take the next step to determine those interests,  particularly in an environment focused on registrants

Jonathan Zuck
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org

From: David Mackey <mackey361@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:58:12 PM
To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>
Cc: cpwg@icann.org <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users
 
Hi Jonathan, 

You're right. There's no doubt At-Large is guided by many principles either through interpretation of the By-Laws and by RALO MOUs ... and of course principles that come along with each individual that participates in the At-Large community. I apologize if my words did not clearly articulate the high level of integrity found in our community. 

The thing that I find interesting about this RFC is that the IAB is attempting to explicitly articulate principles to prioritize end user interests when doing IETF standards work. It's not an easy task. 

I claim no wisdom on what this means inside the At-Large community context. It just seems like worthwhile material that should be shared with the community. 

Cheers!
David 

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 4:08 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
Thanks David. Very interesting. The At-Large DOES operate on some principles, for sure and this has lead to disagreements with others in things like GDPR compliance and indigenous interests to domain names. It's difficult to be so out numbered but I'll be interested to see where this goes. Thanks for sharing.

Jonathan
From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of David Mackey <mackey361@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:49:29 PM
To: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users
 
FYI: 


The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) recently published “RFC: 8890 - The Internet is for End Users” which some people in the CPWG may find interesting. 


The RFC highlights a number of important policy/standards areas that overlap with At-Large policy creation. 


The IAB seems to feel it’s important for IETF standards to be developed under the guidance of explicitly stated principles. The idea of policy making being guided by explicitly stated principles is something that the At-Large community may wish to consider too. 


RFC 8890 - The Internet is for End Users


Mark Nottingham’s Blog Post which describes the reasons for publishing RFC 8890.


Cheers!

David

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