Agree @Holly

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 4:50 PM Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
Finally - a definition of ‘end user’ from the tech community - which, of course, I will use.

Holly

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:37 AM, <alberto@soto.net.ar> <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:

I like this: “Successful specifications will provide some benefit to all the
   relevant parties because standards do not represent a zero-sum game.
   However, there are sometimes situations where there is a conflict
   between the needs of two (or more) parties.
 
   In these situations, when one of those parties is an "end user" of
   the Internet -- for example, a person using a web browser, mail
   client, or another agent that connects to the Internet -- the
   Internet Architecture Board argues that the IETF should favor their
   interests over those of other parties.”
 
De: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> En nombre de Jonathan Zuck
Enviado el: sábado, 29 de agosto de 2020 17:22
Para: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com>
CC: cpwg@icann.org
Asunto: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users
 
And in the near term, Holly might want to bring it up during her DOH webinar...
 
Jonathan Zuck
Innovators Network Foundation
www.InnovatorsNetwork.org
From: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 4:20:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users
 
Thank you David,
@Jonathan, it is worth discussing RFC8890 at at-large.
 
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:








 



Thanks David. Very interesting. The At-Large DOES operate on some principles, for sure and this has lead to disagreements with others in things like GDPR compliance and indigenous interests to domain names. It's difficult to be so out numbered but I'll be interested

to see where this goes. Thanks for sharing.

 

 





Jonathan

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:49:29 PM


To: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>


Subject: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

 

 

 

 

 

 

FYI: 

 













The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) recently published “RFC: 8890 - The Internet is for End Users” which some people in the CPWG may find interesting. 












The RFC highlights a number of important policy/standards areas that overlap with At-Large policy creation. 












The IAB seems to feel it’s important for IETF standards to be developed under the guidance of explicitly stated principles. The idea of policy making being guided by explicitly stated principles is something that the At-Large community may wish to consider

too. 






















Mark Nottingham’s Blog Post which describes the reasons for publishing RFC 8890.












Cheers!





David

 

 

 

 

 





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