Jonathan,

 

Perhaps you may want to stick to making your short films.  You are much more in your comedic swim lane with that content  😊

 

Are there any recent videos that you can share? They always seem to bring a smile to my face, although your short western is still my all-time favorite.

 

Best regards,

 

Michael

 

From: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:42 PM
To: Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com>; mike palage.com <mike@palage.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Oh, sorry about that. I thought George was one of yours.  I suppose no one really wants to take responsibility for him. Honestly, I was really just trying to tease Evan. J

 

Jonathan Zuck

Director, Future of Work Project

Innovators Network Foundation

www.InnovatorsNetwork.org

 

From: Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:36:47 PM
To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; mike palage.com <mike@palage.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: RE: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Your apology is accepted. Please note however, that it was not a member of the ICA who made any “outcry” and therefore your statement that you “look forward to ICA's civil and rational evaluation of this outcry by one of its members”, is factually incorrect.

 

Yours truly,

 

Zak Muscovitch

General Counsel, ICA

 

 

 

From: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:28 PM
To: Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com>; mike palage.com <mike@palage.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Oh Hi Zak. Been a minute. Sorry, I was really just trying to make a joke and engaged in some hyperbole...perhaps a bit like the domain industry does when their interests are at stake...but that's neither here nor there. No real offense intended. I look forward to ICA's civil and rational evaluation of this outcry by one of its members.

Jonathan 

 

Jonathan Zuck

Director, Future of Work Project

Innovators Network Foundation

www.InnovatorsNetwork.org

 

From: Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:19:33 PM
To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; mike palage.com <mike@palage.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Jonathan, I don’t appreciate your sentiment of “hating domainers”. It’s not conducive to civil discussion amongst stakeholders, and in any event it is an overly broad generalization without justification. Moreover, attributing Evan's concern to being "spun up by domainers" is another unjustified generalization. 

 

Zak Muscovitch

General Counsel, ICA

 

 

From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Jonathan Zuck via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 4:12 PM
To: mike palage.com <mike@palage.com>; Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Yeah, this is much ado about nothing. It's not like some contract can give a government permission to seize a domain. Sigh. This is just so ICANN can't come after Verisign ( and PIR etc) for accommodating a court order.

 

For someone who hates the domainers, even more than me, Evan is sure spun up by them!

 

Jonathan Zuck

Director, Future of Work Project

Innovators Network Foundation

 

From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of mike palage.com via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 3:56:38 PM
To: Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Hello Olivier,

 

Can you provide a public reference to the thread or email list?  I am a sucker for subscribing to a good mailing list.

 

That being said I would agree with John’s statement. As someone who has consulted with many registry operators over the last two decades, the language in the .COM and the now proposed .NET registry agreement is not inconsistent with standards provisions across the industry.

 

Sadly, ICANN only requires Verisign to post its Registry/Registrar agreements. However, I was able to quickly find this legal provision from EURid in connection with .EU registrations, see https://eurid.eu/d/7556497/Terms_and_Conditions_EN.pdf

 

Section 6.4 - The Registry shall be entitled to immediately suspend or cancel the Domain

Name when the Registrant is in breach of the Rules.

 

Section  3. OBLIGATIONS OF THE REGISTRANT

 

Throughout the Term, the Registrant has the following obligations:

1. As referred to in the Registration Policy, to keep its contact information accurate, complete, and up-to-date, both (i) with the Registrar with whom the Registrant has entered into an Agreement and (ii) with the Registry (via the Registrar). Moreover, the Registrant represents and warrants that any email address communicated to the Registry shall be a functioning e-mail

address;

2. To use the Domain Name in such a way that does not violate any third-party rights, applicable laws, or regulations, including discrimination on the basis of race, language, sex, religion, or political view;

3. Not to use the Domain Name (i) in bad faith or (ii) for any unlawful purpose.

 

Section 4. REPRESENTATIONS AND WARRANTIES OF THE REGISTRANT

 

The Registrant represents and warrants that:

 

1. it meets the Eligibility Criteria, and it shall inform the Registry when it ceases to meet such conditions via its Registrar;

2. all information provided to the Registry during the Domain Name registration process is true, complete, and accurate;

3. the Domain Name registration is made in good faith, for a lawful purpose, and does not infringe the rights of any third party;

4. the Domain Name is not contrary to public policy or morality (e.g. is not obscene or offensive), and is not unlawful;

5. throughout the Term, it shall abide by these Terms and Conditions and any and all applicable Rules.

 

Therefore while the Verisign lawyers were a bit verbose our friends at EURid were much more succinct.

 

Net Net – I personally am not losing any sleep over the proposed mark-up to the RRA. That being said there are A LOT of other provisions in the existing/proposed .NET agreement that are giving me angst, so please tune in next Wednesday when Bill and I share our initial assessment and concerns.

 

Best regards,

 

Michael

 

From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via CPWG
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 3:28 PM
To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] Something of actual importance to end-users

 

Forgot the reference:
https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/registry-agreements/com/com-amend-3-pdf-27mar20-en.pdf

On 20/04/2023 20:26, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:

Worth noting: John Levine points out on another mailing list that the changes are the same as those already integrated in the .COM Registry Agreement 3 years ago and that did not cause as many ripples back then.

He also mentions that governments seize gTLD domains all the time when they get a suitable
court order. But of course I guess this is all in the details.

Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 20/04/2023 17:12, Evan Leibovitch via CPWG wrote:

 

Let's briefly put aside the boasting about ALAC's incremental involvement in the trivial agendas set by ICANN's vested interests. Here's a real example of an issue that can negatively affect end-users. The aims of the proposed modification may be laudable, but there's too much room for arbitrariness and too much potential to curb political speech unwanted by a government.

 

BTW ... Why was this not already flagged by ALAC as cause for concern? Why did I have to find out about this in the media rather than from the inside. Was ALAC intending to ignore it?

 

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. ALAC is obsessed with the trivial and the self-absorbed, but asleep during the issues that actually affect the constituency we're supposed to serve.

 

Does ALAC have what it takes to fight for the public interest on something that actually matters?

Is it capable of balancing the various intertwining issues? If the CPWG meets on this issue I'll be there.


Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada

@evanleibovitch / @el56

 

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