Thanks Alan, +1

however, this might trigger an endless debate about whether if we have multiple votes we should have also a minority vote - something like 2 votes for the majority position, 1 for the minority, out of a total 3 votes

by experience (see also the GNSO Review) touching the vote issue is like opening a can of worms

and anyway I maintain that the voting is a tiny part of the participation

cheers
r


On 17.09.2025, at 22:56, Alan Greenberg <greenberg.alan@gmail.com> wrote:

NARALO Voting: The vote of all Indiv. Members is consolidated into a single vote equivalent to that of an ALS - just the same as EURALO as I understand it.

Not relevant to this discussion, but as the number of Individual Members grow, I suspect at some point, we may want to consider more than one vote...

Alan



On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 4:43 PM Roberto Gaetano via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote:
Hi all

Just for clarification, not to have misunderstandings.
I disagree with the sentence:
In Naralo we feel the opposite works.

Actually, the paragraph:
… Anyone can join as an individual member and can be as active as they want. They can run for any position and can join any group or be nominated for any naralo position. 
applies also to EURALO Individual Members. As a matter of fact 2 out of the 5 current EURALO Board Members are EURALO Individual Members.

I cannot speak about voting because I have to confess that I do not know how NARALO voting works, and what is the relative voting weight between ALSes and Individuals. But anyway I am a strong supporter of the late Einar Stefferud’s statement that what is important is to have a voice, not a vote.

Cheers,
Roberto



On 17.09.2025, at 14:54, Judith Hellerstein via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote:

Hi All
In Naralo we feel the opposite works. Anyone can join as an individual member and can be as active as they want. They can run for any position and can join any group or be nominated for any naralo position. In voting matters all individual members are part of one bloc and they vote in their group and then the nominated person then votes their slate and choices in the main election 

So they have the best of both options 

Judith 
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On Sep 17, 2025, at 8:32 AM, Sergio Salinas Porto via CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> wrote:


Dear Carlton, I'm astonished to see that you're referring to LACRALO, arguing that it's difficult to join as an individual member, which is far from the truth.
I'm not interested in polemics or creating conflicts, but I have heard many people express their opinions about LACRALO without having read the rules of procedure or the attached documents on the subject, and they say without blushing that LACRALO DOES NOT ALLOW INDIVIDUAL USERS TO PARTICIPATE.
LACRALO is open to individual members. We adopt the same participation procedure as EURALO (an ALS that brings everyone together). This model, we believe, works and guarantees serious and reliable participation for those who want to participate within an organized, rule-based organizational framework.
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El lun, 15 sept 2025 a las 14:46, Carlton Samuels via CPWG (<cpwg@icann.org>) escribió:











Ah Bill. I’ve been working inside ICANN’s At-Large community since 2006, and I’ve seen real progress. But the fight is far from over. We’ve gone from being treated like distant cousins
 no one wanted to invite to dinner to being grudgingly recognized as part of the family. Sure is something. But in my view not enough.











The “Empowered Community” label sounds impressive, yet resistance to full At-Large participation still runs deep. We are continually asked — sometimes openly, sometimes with a polite but oily smile — to prove our
 worth and justify our existence. When it comes from people who I ordinarily would not notice, it rankles.









The truth is, the heavy lifting has always come from individuals: the people who research issues, shape policy, and speak for everyday Internet users. But the institutionalised At-Large in some places system still
 privileges the institutional shell — the At-Large Structure (ALS) — over the person. NARALO is quite progressive here, largely for the work of people like Alan and Evan.










Look at LACRALO. To give individuals a voice, we created a byzantine framework for “unaffiliated” members. It’s so convoluted that talented recruits take one look and walk away.









If you believe, as I do, that access to the Internet is a fundamental right and that ordinary users deserve representation wherever that right is debated
and contested, you know the struggle continues. We in the Caribbean keep showing up. We keep pushing. And, we still have to fight for our place every
 single day.



Cheers.



Carlton


















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On Fri, 12 Sept 2025 at 00:45, Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> wrote:








Hi Carlton, 






To say that "It is only recently that participation by an 'unaffiliated' person was recognized. And with this, that
 person is still relegated to second class status for rights and privileges in participation." is, at minimum, an over-generalization.  







I personally have never been a member of an ALS.  Yet if I have been "relegated to second class status" in the decade plus that I have been involved in ICANN, it has somehow escaped my notice.**  For me, being
 elected by the members of NARALO for a term as their representative on the ALAC didn't feel like second class status.  







Perhaps other Regional Ogranizations are different in this regard.  Or perhaps I simply do not understand what is meant by second class status.  


 


Bill Jouris 







**  I except, of course, the second class status that anyone outside the GNSO has.  That would seem to be a different discussion from how At Large works (that being the only place where ALSs are noticed). 





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