“Human users whose activities IETF standards support, sometimes
indirectly. Thus, the end user of a protocol to manage routers is nota router administrator; it is the
people using the network that the
router operates within.”
Which, of course, aligns with ours. End user isn't a category of user but a category of useFrom: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Javier Rua <javrua@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 4:51:17 PM
To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net>
Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End UsersAgree @HollyFinally - a definition of ‘end user’ from the tech community - which, of course, I will use.HollyOn Aug 30, 2020, at 6:37 AM, <alberto@soto.net.ar> <alberto@soto.net.ar> wrote:I like this: “Successful specifications will provide some benefit to all therelevant parties because standards do not represent a zero-sum game.However, there are sometimes situations where there is a conflictbetween the needs of two (or more) parties.In these situations, when one of those parties is an "end user" ofthe Internet -- for example, a person using a web browser, mailclient, or another agent that connects to the Internet -- theInternet Architecture Board argues that the IETF should favor theirinterests over those of other parties.”De: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> En
nombre de Jonathan Zuck
Enviado el: sábado, 29 de agosto de 2020 17:22
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CC: cpwg@icann.org
Asunto: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users
And in the near term, Holly might want to bring it up during her DOH webinar...From: Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 4:20:10 PM
To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>
Cc: cpwg@icann.org <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End UsersThank you David,@Jonathan, it is worth discussing RFC8890 at at-large.
Thanks David. Very interesting. The At-Large DOES operate on some principles, for sure and this has lead to disagreements with others in things like GDPR compliance and indigenous interests to domain names. It's difficult to be so out numbered but I'll be interested
to see where this goes. Thanks for sharing.
Jonathan
From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of David Mackey <mackey361@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:49:29 PM
To: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org>
Subject: [CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users
FYI:
The Internet Architecture Board (IAB) recently published “RFC: 8890 - The Internet is for End Users” which some people in the CPWG may find interesting.
The RFC highlights a number of important policy/standards areas that overlap with At-Large policy creation.
The IAB seems to feel it’s important for IETF standards to be developed under the guidance of explicitly stated principles. The idea of policy making being guided by explicitly stated principles is something that the At-Large community may wish to consider
too.
Mark Nottingham’s Blog Post which describes the reasons for publishing RFC 8890.
Cheers!
David
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