Hi Sebastian and all,

 

The main concern with regard to the issue of differentiating between legal and natural persons  lies in this grey area where personal data of natural and of legal persons overlap, where article 4 defines personal data as any information relating to an identified natural person and while the GDPR and its relevant recitals specifically say that it does not apply to legal persons still registries and registrars might feel that they are taking risks

 

So mainly the registrars/registries  might be concerned to be put in a situation by which they think that they are handling data in a manner compliant with the GDPR but they turn out violating data subject rights where they could be processing personal data related to  legal persons in a non-compliant manner and as we all know uncertainty and risks are the main issues and concerns of the registries and registrars. In addition of course to what they might regard as difficult or costly to implement.

 

That being said some European ccTLD registries like EURid and DNS Belgium are already making the distinction between legal and natural persons and maybe an option in the system can exist to resolve the issues related to  the overlap between the natural and legal persons at sometimes.

Note: I have been attending sub teams 2 and 3 and Alan has been attending sub team 1(which deals with this issue, therefore what I have put above does not necessary relate to any or some of the group's view or opinion)

 

Best

Hadia

 

From: CPWG [mailto:cpwg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Sebastien Bachollet
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:25 AM
To: Marita Moll
Cc: CPWG
Subject: Re: [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Fwd: Read the EPDP Update - Week of 8 October

 

Thanks Marita 

 

Interesting 

 

Regarding the following question 

h5) What are the risks associated with differentiation of

   registrant status as legal or natural persons across multiple

   jurisdictions?

Part of the answer is already in the question.

 

May I suggest that ALAC rep push to add after risks, advantages?

 

All the best 

SeB 

 

Envoyé de mon iPhone


Le 18 oct. 2018 à 09:07, Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> a écrit :

Forwarding from the NCUC list. More info on EPDP meetings. I am not sure why such updates aren't coming through At-large lists.

Marita


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*From: *ICANN Policy Staff <policy-staff@icann.org <mailto:policy-staff@icann.org>>

*Subject: **Read the EPDP Update - Week of 8 October*

*Date: *16 October 2018 at 22:02:21 GMT+2

*To: *farell@benin2point0.org <mailto:farell@benin2point0.org>

*Reply-To: *policy-staff@icann.org <mailto:policy-staff@icann.org>

 

EPDP on the Temporary Specification for

gTLD Registration Data

Update for Week of 8 October 2018

 

   

   

 

WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK?

 

Overview

 

 * The Team continued working through thedata elements workbooks

   <http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0017fmDtgLzrOhw-qOnvSMiIT587krsbjdaUrx10NOAy5v8PSCfPZpoLfDJ11Lj64yevKRUzSMAYrh2Ha6PooO6zYvB6C9M_Fuz5vmwzdc2AM_hB7HlnelPOTiklWtMDkd8TfSJXSr7vaSqwpn6YnNfswjOXWmWRRRQjjQUTmxKYQJbkUE2-s2SfNMbYV2OkF4vLbUA-7fi_XT_QBtaq2YIjbC5lKnbVHSS&c=Su2prJNBGzh4u4fR6KEb4vOAWookde4KWF0KI8bX_8hxtHdB2i2xKA==&ch=w8FTdmq_n3oKKzVW_6Qq94juOFTT9BDyr3yXyHiCYqv_-w7a-9nylw==>;

   this week, we focused on:

 * Purpose A: Establish the rights of a Registered Name Holder in a

   Registered Name and ensuring that the Registered Name Holder may

   exercise its rights in respect of the Registered Name; and

 * Purpose B: Facilitate lawful access for legitimate 3rd party

   interests to data that is already collected and identified herein.

 * During the course of the discussion on the transfer of data from

   registrar to registry, the Team noted the Purpose A language

   required more clarity; specifically, what rights does a registrant

   have in a name? To facilitate further discussion on this question,

   a small group of volunteers worked together on updated draft text

   for Purpose A.

 * During the course of the discussion on Purpose B, the Team

   identified a disconnect between the processing activity and the

   purpose. A small group of volunteers led by Benedict Addis

   volunteered to propose new language in response to the issues

   identified by the Team.

 * To continue the progress form the Team’s F2F meeting, the Team

   agreed to work in small groups to cover additional topics/charter

   questions that needed to be addressed prior to Barcelona.

 

Charter Questions

 

 * The EPDP Team specifically proposed to address the transfer of

   registration data from registrars to registries in an effort to

   answer the following Charter questions:

 * c1) What data should registrars be required to transfer to the

   registry?

 * c2) What data is required to fulfill the purpose of a registry

   registering and resolving a domain name?

 * c3) What data is transferred to the registry because it is

   necessary to deliver the service of fulfilling a domain

   registration versus other legitimate purposes as outlined in part

   (a) above?

 * c4) Is there a legal reason why registrars should not be required

   to transfer data to the registries, in accordance with previous

   consensus policy on this point?

 * c5) Should registries have the option to require contact data or not?

 * c6) Is there a valid purpose for the registrant contact data to be

   transferred to the registry, or should it continue to reside at

   the registrar?

 

 

 * Subteam 1 met again to discuss the following Charter questions:

 * h) Applicability of Data Processing Requirements

 * h3) Should Contracted Parties be allowed or required to treat

   legal and natural persons differently, and what mechanism is

   needed to ensure reliable determination of status?

 * h4) Is there a legal basis for Contracted Parties to treat legal

   and natural persons differently?

 * h5) What are the risks associated with differentiation of

   registrant status as legal or natural persons across multiple

   jurisdictions? (See EDPB letter of 5 July 2018).

 

 

 * Subteam 3 met to discuss the following Charter questions:

 *  j) Temporary Specification and Reasonable Access

 *  j1) Should existing requirements in the Temporary Specification

   remain in place until a model for access is finalized?

 *  j2) Can the obligation to provide “reasonable access” be further

   clarified and/or better defined through the implementation of a

   community-wide model for access or similar framework which takes

   into account at least the following elements:

 * What outside parties / classes of outside parties, and types of

   uses of non-public Registration Data by such parties, fall within

   legitimate purposes and legal basis for such use?

 * Should such outside parties / classes of outside parties be vetted

   by ICANN in some manner and if so, how?

 * If the parties should not be vetted by ICANN, who should vet such

   parties?

 * f) Publication of data by registrar/registry:

 * f2) Should standardized requirements on registrant contact

   mechanism be developed?

 * f3) Under what circumstances should third parties be permitted to

   contact the registrant, and how should contact be facilitated in

   those circumstances?

 

Risk

 

The EPDP team is going to continue its work on the data elements workbooks, outstanding items and responses to charter questions in Barcelona for the F2F meeting. The progress to be made during ICANN63 will impact the timeline for initial report drafting and delivery for public comments. The EPDP leadership team is working for the plan toward the delivery of initial report and afterwards.

 

   

   

 

WHAT IS ON NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA?

 

The Team will prepare for its meetings at ICANN63. The EPDP Team is organizing four face-to-face meetings at ICANN63:

(1) 08:30 – 18:30 local time on Saturday, 20 October 2018;

(2) 17:00 – 18:30 local time on Sunday, 21 October 2018;

(3) 17:00-18:30 local time on Wednesday, 24 October 2018; and

(4) 08:30-10:15 local time on Thursday, 25 October.

 

Additionally, there is an EPDP high interest topic meeting from 15:15-16:45 local time on Monday, 22 October 2018. The EPDP Team plans to provide an update on the Initial Report and preview proposed recommendations with the community. The Initial Report is expected to be published after ICANN63.

 

   

   

 

STATUS REPORT

 

RED

Serious Delay/Issues

 

   

AMBER

Manageable Delay/Issues

 

   

GREEN

No Delay/Issues

 

Meeting #

& Date

 

   

Topic 1

 

   

Topic 2

 

   

Planned Deliverable(s)

 

   

Status

 

(#1) 1-Aug

 

   

Orientation, Background, Operating Mode

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#2) 7-Aug

 

   

Temp Sepc Triage - Part 1

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#3) 9-Aug

 

   

Temp Sepc Triage - Part 1

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#4) 14-Aug

 

   

Temp Sepc Triage - Part 2

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#5) 16-Aug

 

   

Temp Sepc Triage - Part 3

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#6) 21-Aug

 

   

Temp Sepc Triage - Part 4

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#7) 28-Aug

 

   

Proposed Approach to Deliberations

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#8) 28-Aug

 

   

Section 4.4 - Purposes for processing

 

   

Triage report*; Appendix D, E, G - URS, UDRP, Transfers*

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#9) 30-Aug

 

   

Section 4.4 - Purposes for processing

 

   

Appendix C - Data Processing Requirements - Activity & Role Chart

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#10) 4-Sep

 

   

Section 4.4 - Purposes for processing

 

   

Appendix C - Data Processing Requirements - Activity & Role Chart

 

   

Triage Report

*submitted to the Council on 13 Sep

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#11) 6-Sep

 

   

Appendix C.3 - Processor Requirements

 

   

Appendix C - Data Processing Requirements - Activity & Role Chart

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#12) 11-Sep

 

   

Appendix C.3 - Processor Requirements

 

   

Appendix A 2.1 & 3.0 - European Economic Area

 

   

Redline 4.4 -deliverable terminated

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#13) 13-Sep

 

   

Appendix A 2.2-2.4 - Redacted data set*

 

   

Appendix A 2.1 & 3.0 - European Economic Area

 

   

Data Elements Survey to be used during F2F meeting -deliverable terminated

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#14) 18-Sep

 

   

Appendix A 2.2-2.4 - Redacted data set*

 

   

Sections 5,6,7 Registry / Registrar Requirements

 

   

Redline Appendix C- deliverable terminated

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#15) 20-Sep

 

   

Section 7.2 Consent

 

   

Sections 5,6,7 Registry / Registrar Requirements

 

   

Redline Appendix A 2.1, 2.2-2.4, 3.0 -deliverable terminated

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#16) 24-Sep

 

   

LA - Roadmap, Purposes, Data Elements for Processing

 

   

 

   

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#17) 25-Sep

 

   

LA - Roadmap, Purposes, Data Elements for Processing

 

   

 

   

Short list of ICANN purposes

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#18) 26-Sep

 

   

LA - Roadmap, Purposes, Data Elements for Processing

 

   

 

   

Data elements matrix per discussed ICANN purposes

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#19) 2-Oct

 

   

Legal Basis for Purposes and related processing activities

 

   

Review Data Elements Workbook C

 

   

Next version of Workbook C

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#20) 4-Oct

 

   

Review Data Elements Workbook F - Compliance

 

   

Review Data Elements Workbook N - Ry Eligibility Requirements

 

   

Next versions of Workbooks F, N

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#21) 9-Oct

 

   

Review Data Elements Workbook A - Rt Rights

 

   

Review Data Elements Workbook M & N

 

   

Next versions of Workbooks A, M, N

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#22) 11-Oct

 

   

Review Data Elements Workbook B - lawful disclosure

 

   

Prepare for ICANN meeting

 

   

Next versions of Workbook B

 

   

COMPLETE

 

(#23) 16-Oct

 

   

Prepare for ICANN meeting

 

   

 

   

- ICANN63 meeting materials

- ICANN Purposes and lawful basis

- Data Elements Workbooks

 

   

 

(#24) 20-Oct

 

   

ICANN63 Barcelona - EPDP Team

 

   

 

   

 

   

 

(#25) 21-Oct

 

   

ICANN63 Barcelona - HIT

 

   

 

   

 

   

 

(#26) 24-Oct

 

   

ICANN63 Barcelona - EPDP Team

 

   

 

   

 

   

 

(#27) 25-Oct

 

   

ICANN63 Barcelona - EPDP Team

 

   

 

   

TBD

 

   

 

(#28) 1-Nov

 

   

TBD

 

   

 

   

TBD

 

   

 

(--) 5-Nov

 

   

Publish Initial Report & Public Comment

 

   

 

   

Initial Report

 

   

 

(--) 5-Nov

 

   

Publish Initial Report

 

   

 

   

 

   

 

(--) 17-Dec

 

   

Public comment forum on the Initial Report

 

   

 

   

Public Comment Period launch

 

   

 

   

   

 

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