Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask. Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acqui... Stephanie Perrin NCSG Chair
I know for sure that this was not even hinted at during the last PIR Advisory Council meeting.. but it will have major implications for the ISOC chapters. What are they/ISOC thinking? Maureen On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask.
Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acqui...
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Hi, Should have guessed that something was going on... In the spring, chapters were advised that in the future, grant applications should be addressed to the Internet Society Foundation. Presumably, the "new endowment" that Andrew is now talking about. Best, Yrjö ________________________________ From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:52 PM To: Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] Fwd: ISOC sells PIR I know for sure that this was not even hinted at during the last PIR Advisory Council meeting.. but it will have major implications for the ISOC chapters. What are they/ISOC thinking? Maureen On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> wrote: Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask. Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA><mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA><mailto:stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acquire-Public-Interest-Registry-Internet<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businesswire.com%2Fnews%2Fhome%2F20191113005661%2Fen%2FEthos-Capital-Acquire-Public-Interest-Registry-Internet&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cda10c9d53eea428b7ecb08d768732edc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637092716220307988&sdata=zv1WfDqlNrjU6%2BXrnTCR7ofcTuCF5LRlxav9p8mL6oQ%3D&reserved=0> Stephanie Perrin NCSG Chair _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org<mailto:CPWG@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcpwg&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cda10c9d53eea428b7ecb08d768732edc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637092716220317971&sdata=%2B8ewM1LStdtEu54BxiPRzYxdZs2pkQgviKwj1kVcSSM%3D&reserved=0> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fprivacy%2Fpolicy&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cda10c9d53eea428b7ecb08d768732edc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637092716220317971&sdata=fBdZS9sehkfftyRdpImMUbbFQrNzhOv66%2FJoZCB6o0g%3D&reserved=0>) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icann.org%2Fprivacy%2Ftos&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cda10c9d53eea428b7ecb08d768732edc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637092716220327980&sdata=nzJQw2MHpJaI2QO%2BZh3Z8TyPnFvnHl3q6EzBDbFU5hQ%3D&reserved=0>). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Just read the articles, and I suspect that ISOC has decided to give the business responsibility of .ORG away to Ethos Capital so that they can concentrate on their chapters and their core business. Also it must have seemed to be growing conflict of interest trying to be fair to all etc when it came to funding projects etc. An outside organisation / foundation could be more objective At our last PIR Advisory Council meeting, PIR assured us that prices would be kept to a "reasonable" level despite the removal of the cap and that the company would maintain .ORG in support of organisations working for social good. The link to Fadi Chehade is interesting as well as the registration of the Ethos company on the day the PIR agreement was finalised. But the problem is once Ethos takes its slice and PIR takes its share for admin, etc, how much will be left for ISOC? It does however for those of us still embroiled in the ICANN auction proceeds dilemma, this could add another mechanism to the mix, with Ethos Capital as an external organisation that could work with ICANN and a non-ICANN Org Management Body to manage its projects and the distribution of its funding. M On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know for sure that this was not even hinted at during the last PIR Advisory Council meeting.. but it will have major implications for the ISOC chapters. What are they/ISOC thinking?
Maureen
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask.
Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acqui...
Stephanie Perrin
NCSG Chair
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It will be very interesting to see next year ISOC balanced sheet report as well as their 2021 budget. That will gives us a better indication as to the direction that ISOC will the in the future. -ed On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 4:47 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Just read the articles, and I suspect that ISOC has decided to give the business responsibility of .ORG away to Ethos Capital so that they can concentrate on their chapters and their core business. Also it must have seemed to be growing conflict of interest trying to be fair to all etc when it came to funding projects etc. An outside organisation / foundation could be more objective
At our last PIR Advisory Council meeting, PIR assured us that prices would be kept to a "reasonable" level despite the removal of the cap and that the company would maintain .ORG in support of organisations working for social good. The link to Fadi Chehade is interesting as well as the registration of the Ethos company on the day the PIR agreement was finalised.
But the problem is once Ethos takes its slice and PIR takes its share for admin, etc, how much will be left for ISOC?
It does however for those of us still embroiled in the ICANN auction proceeds dilemma, this could add another mechanism to the mix, with Ethos Capital as an external organisation that could work with ICANN and a non-ICANN Org Management Body to manage its projects and the distribution of its funding.
M
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know for sure that this was not even hinted at during the last PIR Advisory Council meeting.. but it will have major implications for the ISOC chapters. What are they/ISOC thinking?
Maureen
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask.
Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acqui...
Stephanie Perrin
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On Thu, Nov 14, 2019, 2:17 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
Just read the articles, and I suspect that ISOC has decided to give the business responsibility of .ORG away to Ethos Capital so that they can concentrate on their chapters and their core business. Also it must have seemed to be growing conflict of interest trying to be fair to all etc when it came to funding projects etc. An outside organisation / foundation could be more objective
At our last PIR Advisory Council meeting, PIR assured us that prices would be kept to a "reasonable" level despite the removal of the cap and that the company would maintain .ORG in support of organisations working for social good. The link to Fadi Chehade is interesting as well as the registration of the Ethos company on the day the PIR agreement was finalised.
But the problem is once Ethos takes its slice and PIR takes its share for admin, etc, how much will be left for ISOC?
In a message on the Chapter Leaders forum I asked a similar question but understood it to be irrelevant. Andrew Sullivan clarified that Ethos Capital has fully acquired PIR. The proceeds from the sale of PIR would form a corpus fund which would sustain the Internet Society in the long term. The of slices does not arise. It is a wise decision so far as the rationale is to steer clear of various inevitable controversies associated with commercial pursuits. The Internet Society has huge public interest responsibilities, but (forgive me for the pun), the Public Interest Registry has been a distraction due to the commercial components associated with the operation of a Registry. It might have been preferable to have insisted on a Acquisition Value + a recurrent share of revenues / profits, but in a complex legal environment, even such an arrangement would have perpetuated the legal liabilities. Sivasubramanian M
It does however for those of us still embroiled in the ICANN auction proceeds dilemma, this could add another mechanism to the mix, with Ethos Capital as an external organisation that could work with ICANN and a non-ICANN Org Management Body to manage its projects and the distribution of its funding.
M
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote:
I know for sure that this was not even hinted at during the last PIR Advisory Council meeting.. but it will have major implications for the ISOC chapters. What are they/ISOC thinking?
Maureen
On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask.
Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acqui...
Stephanie Perrin
NCSG Chair
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I got notice maybe 30 minutes before your broadcast and I was trying to confirm before I let fly. Strtegically and to my mind, Evan has consistently made the most cogent contextualized argument on the general price cap issue. And further to the record, it has never seized my imagination as a matter worthy of the At-Large limited cycles; the original and AoC led me to the position the matter has long flown the coop. Suffice to say, this development has certainly shaded the recent transactions surrounding .org price caps. How about this one? You will recall a story on the recon decision at Board level that ran in Domainwire? I so too now wish the matter was explored further at the public forum. -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 12:59 PM Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:
Had we known this was lurking in the background -- which it most certainly was at the time -- it might have been a different discussion. How much did ISOC know and when did they know it -- a question ISOC chapters might want to ask.
Marita -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: ISOC sells PIR Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:38:29 +0000 From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> Reply-To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> <stephanie.perrin@MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> To: NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
I must say, this casts the decision to drop price caps for .org in a slightly different light. I will keep you posted as I learn more.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20191113005661/en/Ethos-Capital-Acqui...
Stephanie Perrin
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Carlton Samuels -
Eduardo Diaz -
Marita Moll -
Maureen Hilyard -
sivasubramanian muthusamy -
Wolfgang Kleinwächter -
Yrjö Länsipuro