Thank you for posting the draft. It has been a good point to discuss. The lock-in of 60 days is mooted to factor many possibilities including the financial transaction. Specific to financial transaction, as on date the Reserve Bank of India specifies: a) Zero Liability of a Customer: Systemic Fault reported within three working days b) Limited Liability of a Customer: Within 4 to 7 working days based on the concerned Bank's policy Maximum Time for resolution : 90 days from the date of receipt of the complaint Well, I prefer 60 days on this leaving the remaining 30 days to the bank. As the policy document reads: The burden of proving customer liability in case of unauthorised electronic banking transactions shall lie on the bank. The systems and procedures in banks must be designed to make customers feel safe about carrying out electronic banking transactions. Hope this helps. Not entirely an aside: The way we used to conclude on the receipt of / non-receipt of a packet sent on the heterogenous network based on an estimated round trip time between the sender and the receiver is a good analogy. Sincerely, Gopal T V 0 9840121302 https://vidwan.inflibnet.ac.in/profile/57545 https://www.facebook.com/gopal.tadepalli ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. T V Gopal Professor Department of Computer Science and Engineering College of Engineering Anna University Chennai - 600 025, INDIA Ph : (Off) 22351723 Extn. 3340 (Res) 24454753 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On 2021-11-20 14:07, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG wrote:

Dear all,

Based on the poll held at the CPWG call on Nov. 17, 2021, I have drafted a text to inform the TPR-PDP WG. The next TPR-PDP meeting is scheduled to Nov 23, 2021, hence hope to have your feedback asap.

The document can be commented using https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bkkWGmxg6wWgAkU4qSX_DvCVbda9kkh466b-7O6j... [1]

THE PROPOSED TEXT:

The Consolidated Policy Working Group (CPWG) is the At-Large forum for discussing policy related issues and giving advice to the ICANN community.

At-Large is represented in the GNSO transfer Policy Review Policy Development Process (TPR-PDP) with 2 members, 2 alternates and 4 observers.

The At-Large CPWG members continuously inform the CPWG members about the progress in the TPR-PDP working group and seek feedback and advice in essential questions given by the work in the TPR-PDP.

In order to get the CPWG input to questions connected to preventing transfers to be initiated and executed after an initial registration of a generic domain name, and after a successful transfer between accredited registrar of a generic domain name, a “poll” was held during the CPWG meeting on November 17 2021.

The “poll” was conducted based on the discussion held at the CPWG meeting on November 10 2021 and the email communication on the CPWG mailing list.

While not mandated in ICANN policy, some Registry Operators have provisions in their Registry Agreement that require a 60-day inter-registrar transfer lock after the initial registration of a domain name AND/OR after a successful inter-registrar transfer. Note: This should not be confused with Change of Registrant requirements where a “material change” of name or email address will also lock the domain against inter-registrar transfers for 60 days following the Change of Registrant, if the registrant does not opt-out of this lock. Some TPR-PDP working group members have noted that this practice of post-domain creation locks or post inter-registrar transfer locks are not consistent across the industry, which may be confusing for registrants. Some TPR working group members believe that the working group should recommend that the Transfer Policy include requirements for the 60-day lock after initial registration, although the working group is still discussing the rationale for doing so.

When questioned, a significant number of the CPWG members were in favour of not defining an ICANN policy requiring a 60-days lock after an initial registration of a domain name.

CPWG members with a long “ICANN history” informed the group about the rationale for having a 60-days lock after initial registration to be credit card check and chargeback. The 60-days lock was introduced in 1998/1999. The majority of the CPWG members argued that credit card checks and chargeback is no longer a huge problem.

The result of the poll questioning whether an ICANN required policy for a 60-days lock after a successful inter-registrar transfer, indicated a majority was in favour of NOT defining an ICANN policy of a 60-days lock after a successful transfer. However, the number for keeping a lock after a successful transfer was higher than for having a lock after an initial registration of a domain name. CPWG members signaled that locking a domain name after a successful transfer reduces the possibility for “registrar hopping '' i.e. changing registrars to prevent paying and (often) continuing with suspicious activity as security threats.

Poll questions connecting to whether there should be an option for registrars and registrants to “opt-out” of locking a domain name for transfer either after the initial registration or a successful inter-registrar transfer, indicated that this should NOT be an option.

Finally, the CPWG members were asked to get their view on whether the “60-days” was the preferred number for a transfer lock after a successful inter-registrar transfer. The poll’s alternatives were “yes” (keep the 60-days), “lower than 60 days”, “higher than 60-days” and “Abstain/not sure”. A majority of the CPWG members were in favor of a lower number of days locking a transfer after a successful inter-registrar transfer.

It must be emphasized that the outcome of the “poll” is NOT the final input to these questions. The poll result MUST be seen as a guidance to At-Large TPR-PDP members.

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POLL QUESTIONS AND RESULTS. THESE WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED

Based on the discussions, we would like to hear the CPWG opinion by asking the following:

1. Are we in favor of ICANN policy requiring a 60-day lock after the initial registration of a domain name?

· Yes (18%)

· No (71%)

· Abstain/Not sure (11%)

2. Are we in favor of ICANN policy requiring a 60-day lock after a successful transfer of a domain name?

· Yes (31%)

· No (59%)

· Abstain/Not sure (10%)

3. Could the above be optional for the registrar to implement? In other words, should the registrar have the option to opt-out of these locks?

· Yes (23%)

· No (57%)

· Abstain/Not sure (20%)

4. Should the Registrant have the option to opt-out?

· Yes (30%)

· No (60%)

· Abstain/Not sure (10%)

5. Is "60 days" the preferred number of days for a lock after a successful transfer?

· Yes (20%)

· Should be lower than 60 days (57%)

· Should be more than 60 days (7%)

· Abstain/Not sure (17%)

Regards,

Steinar Grøtterød

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