Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan: https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con... Marita On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
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Or at least one person's view of the context. Others may differ. Alan At 29/08/2018 03:00 PM, Marita Moll wrote:
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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Thank you, Marita. Very informative background. Kaili ----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan: https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con... Marita On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote: Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting. Alan _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists." The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such. Best regards, Greg On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses. What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org> a écrit :
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists."
The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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None can contest your argument Tijani. Vanda Scartezini Sent from my iPhone Sorry for typos
On Sep 3, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@benjemaa.com> wrote:
Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses.
What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest.
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Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org> a écrit :
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists."
The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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So we all agree we need a “balanced” position. What does that mean in practice. I think Alan has suggested we “balance” our position based on two criteria: 1. Majority vs Minority interests 2. Majority vs Minority representation on the EPDP Tijani if you have a framework to propose, please do so. Thanks. Jonathan From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:29 AM To: Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses. What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org<mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org>> a écrit :
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists."
The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com<mailto:kankaili@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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Good, I'm glad we seem to have now arrived at the same place; a 'balanced' position. I'm for tacking to the majority interests. And those who people that majority are the-ordinary-internet-user-in-their-billions, the ones who never register or will ever register a domain name, the equivalent of a Joe Schmuck over there in Timbuktu or at Prickly Pole in the eastern hill country of Jamaica. So to reiterate, the majority interest is sometimes bonded to others and exercised by third parties. As a practical matter, we recognize this by accepting that surrogacy will play a role in advancing that majority interest. -Carlton -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
So we all agree we need a “balanced” position. What does that mean in practice. I think Alan has suggested we “balance” our position based on two criteria:
1. Majority vs Minority interests 2. Majority vs Minority representation on the EPDP
Tijani if you have a framework to propose, please do so. Thanks. Jonathan
From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:29 AM To: Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses.
What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest.
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Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org<mailto: greg@isoc-ny.org>> a écrit :
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists."
The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com<mailto: kankaili@gmail.com>> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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Jonathan, Thank you for accepting a balanced position. When you say majority, you mean that our position should be for the so called majority, ignoring the interests of the minority. I’m afraid this is not a balanced position. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 3 sept. 2018 à 16:58, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> a écrit :
Good, I'm glad we seem to have now arrived at the same place; a 'balanced' position.
I'm for tacking to the majority interests. And those who people that majority are the-ordinary-internet-user-in-their-billions, the ones who never register or will ever register a domain name, the equivalent of a Joe Schmuck over there in Timbuktu or at Prickly Pole in the eastern hill country of Jamaica.
So to reiterate, the majority interest is sometimes bonded to others and exercised by third parties. As a practical matter, we recognize this by accepting that surrogacy will play a role in advancing that majority interest.
-Carlton
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On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: So we all agree we need a “balanced” position. What does that mean in practice. I think Alan has suggested we “balance” our position based on two criteria:
1. Majority vs Minority interests 2. Majority vs Minority representation on the EPDP
Tijani if you have a framework to propose, please do so. Thanks. Jonathan
From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:29 AM To: Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org>> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org <mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses.
What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest.
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Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org><mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org>>> a écrit :
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists."
The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com <mailto:kankaili@gmail.com><mailto:kankaili@gmail.com <mailto:kankaili@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
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Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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So Tijani, I ask again, what represents “balance” to you? NO ONE is suggesting ignoring the interests of the minority and, in fact, those interests are represented (with varying motives) by the MAJORITY of representatives to the EPDP. What would you have the ALAC representatives do in this case? From: Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa@benjemaa.com> Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:34 PM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Cc: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>; cpwg@icann.org; Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org> Subject: Re: [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Next possible move related to GDPR Jonathan, Thank you for accepting a balanced position. When you say majority, you mean that our position should be for the so called majority, ignoring the interests of the minority. I’m afraid this is not a balanced position. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Le 3 sept. 2018 à 16:58, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> a écrit : Good, I'm glad we seem to have now arrived at the same place; a 'balanced' position. I'm for tacking to the majority interests. And those who people that majority are the-ordinary-internet-user-in-their-billions, the ones who never register or will ever register a domain name, the equivalent of a Joe Schmuck over there in Timbuktu or at Prickly Pole in the eastern hill country of Jamaica. So to reiterate, the majority interest is sometimes bonded to others and exercised by third parties. As a practical matter, we recognize this by accepting that surrogacy will play a role in advancing that majority interest. -Carlton -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:57 AM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote: So we all agree we need a “balanced” position. What does that mean in practice. I think Alan has suggested we “balance” our position based on two criteria: 1. Majority vs Minority interests 2. Majority vs Minority representation on the EPDP Tijani if you have a framework to propose, please do so. Thanks. Jonathan From: GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:29 AM To: Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org<mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org>> Cc: CPWG <cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR Fully agree with you that the full story is much more nuanced and that an imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. As the author says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses, there are in our group those who say nothing about the inappropriate uses of WHOIS data, but only mention the legitimate positive uses. What I said since the beginning is that we need a well balanced position as defenders of the end users’ interest, all end users As we have to prevent criminals from harming the end users, we also need to prevent other kind of criminals from using end users data for their own (illegal) interest. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 3 sept. 2018 à 04:14, Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org<mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org><mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org<mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org>>> a écrit :
As Alan notes, this is one person's view of the context, seen from a rather particular point of view. Facts are included and excluded quite selectively. It's particularly silly to call those who disagree with the author's point of view "privacy opponents" -- just as it would be silly to call those who agree with the author's point of view "privacy fetishists" or "privacy maximalists." But I guess a story needs good guys and bad guys need to be called things like "privacy opponents" and "copyright maximalists."
The blog post says nothing about the legitimate positive uses that WHOIS data is put to, but only mentions the inappropriate uses. It then makes very simplistic statements about the effect that withholding that data has had, which fundamentally miscast the positions of those on the "other side" from the author. The full story is much more nuanced. An imbalanced view of an issue that requires a reasonable understanding of the various viewpoints is not particularly helpful. Of course, there's a place for advocacy, but it should be recognized as such.
Best regards,
Greg
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 1:43 AM Kan Kaili <kankaili@gmail.com<mailto:kankaili@gmail.com><mailto:kankaili@gmail.com<mailto:kankaili@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Thank you, Marita. Very informative background.
Kaili
----- Original Message ----- From: Marita Moll To: cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org><mailto:cpwg@icann.org<mailto:cpwg@icann.org>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CPWG] Next possible move related to GDPR
Some context for the attached draft circulated by Alan:
https://www.internetgovernance.org/2018/08/29/special-interests-push-u-s-con...
Marita
On 8/29/2018 2:47 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Not of direct relevance to our work, but perhaps interesting.
Alan
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In previous policy activity (IIRC it was with the Red Cross / IOC CCWG) the group I was in had similar challenges. So in the final report issues and positions were broken down this way: 1) Consensus (rough rather than unanimity) 2) Strong support but significant opposition 3) Minority position 4) Divergence without clear direction It's not unreasonable to do this, recognizing both majority and minority views. It might help to also readers to identify if opposition or minority views are held by identifiable subgroups (ie, members of At-Large who are also registrants or associated with contracted parties, or from a particular geographical region). Consensus is great, but if unavailable ought not to be replaced with tyranny of the majority. We owe our community the honesty to recognize diversity, not just in the makeup of our leadership but also in the makeup of our positions. PS: I want to thank Greg for adding the phrase "privacy fetishists" to my ICANN lexicon. It's a more useful phrase than it should be. ___________________ Evan Leibovitch, Toronto @evanleibovitch/@el56
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