David, unfortunately, I think you are misusing my claim of "uniqueness."  I go on to say that we should "borrow heavily from the "playbooks" of existing non-profits and private companies (whether publicly-traded or not), [but]their solutions will need to be customized (more or less) to suit our situation."  And as I've stated to Olivier, I think we have a great deal to learn from corporate governance methods for "for profit" companies as well as non-profits.  I think Chuck is using Verisign because he is familiar with it -- not because it is a unique paragon of corporate accountability.  We can substitute another company from another country with basically the same result.  

These type of non-substantive arguments really take us away from the actual pros and cons of ideas and proposals.-- that is the real "red herring" problem to me, and we seem to be accumulating enough red herrings to open a Hollandse nieuwe haring stand in Amsterdam....

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 4:23 PM, David Conrad <david.conrad@icann.org> wrote:
Chuck,

>But I also do not see the value in arguing back and forth with regard to
>specific organizational failures except to illustrate why the community
>wants to ensure that ICANN accountability minimizes the risks of those
>kinds of failures.

To be honest, given ICANN's uniqueness as mentioned by Greg, I don't see a
lot of value or relevance in asserting accountability associated with
Verisign's for-profit company status -- it all seems like a big red
herring to me.

>You apparently think that ICANN's accountability measures are sufficient;

Actually, I have made no such assertion.  As stated, I'm just a technical
person and all this accountability stuff is beyond me.  What I do object
to, however, are the statements by yourself, Milton, and others that imply
that ICANN is operating in an accountability vacuum. I have no doubt
ICANN's accountability can be improved, but ICANN does have a number of
accountability measures and besides, isn't that the task of a different
group?

Regards,
-drc

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