On 02-Dec-14 07:16, Seun Ojedeji wrote:

I also don't understand the view that ICANN community and corporate are separate.

The ICANN Board and Staff are independent of the Community and can overrule the community either by a vote of the Board, or by calling an action 'implementation' that does not require community agreement.  I do not understand how anyone can see  ICANN community and ICANN Corporate as being the same entity, though there are points of contact.  There is a strict division between the two, especially since the Board, given its understanding of the its fiduciary responsibility sees itself as NOT representing the community. Adn the staff is governed by a CEO that is not subject, in any way, to community appproval in hiring or contract renewal.  The Community has NO influence over ICANN Staff.

What does that mean? and how is ICANN community different from a typical RIR community.

In the RIRs there is no body with a vote that can overrule the will of the community in policy making.

Please when you think of who pays, think of it from the customer perspective, think of participation, think of the resources that's already been expended in this current ICG process.

How does the contractor paying hurt the consumers?

On a lighter note, it's interesting that we will want to put all these structure just because of a "what if". It's also interesting that we are not thinking of the possibility of the young MRT being subject to capture.

I think people are beginning to see the ghost of possible capture everywhere and it is becoming another paralyzing function that is being used much the way an overblown fear of gaming is being used, as a counter to any idea.

I persist in seeing the only real possibility of capture in a massively multistakeholder body is that the community process can be captured by ICANN corporate decisions made that disregard the community's consensus, and that is what we need to protect against.

avri