Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [community-finance] Updated IANA Stewardship Transition Expenses Information as of 31 December 2015
I have heard many long-time members of the ICANN community opine that Jones Day, in coordination with the General Counsel (who is a former Jones Day attorney), wields decisive behind-the-scenes power within ICANN. The issue is not cost, or quality of the legal work, but a persistent mindset regarding the interplay between the Corporation and the Community. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: community-finance-bounces@icann.org [mailto:community-finance-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 9:09 AM To: Xavier J. Calvez; accountability-cross-community@icann.org; community-finance@icann.org; cwg-stewardship@icann.org; icann-board@icann.org Cc: global_leadership@icann.org; Senior Management Team Subject: Re: [community-finance] Updated IANA Stewardship Transition Expenses Information as of 31 December 2015 Xavier Thanks for sharing this information. It’s useful, though I suspect it’ll raise as many questions as it answers. One thing I did notice was in relation to the legal fees. Doing some back of the envelope calculations and noting how much ICANN generally spends on legal fees one question did come to mind, and this in relation to ICANN’s overall budgeting. How often does ICANN change law firms? Has ICANN ever changed law firms? As far as I can tell Jones Day has been doing ICANN’s legal work since ICANN’s formation Has ICANN ever put its external legal work out to any form of tender? While I know that people can argue that legal advice is not purely a numbers game, I’m also pretty sure that there are other law firms out that that would provide a similar service and potentially at a lower price. And my comments are no reflection on the quality of Jones Day’s work, but considering how much ICANN pays is legal fees per year I think it’s a question someone should ask. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <community-finance-bounces@icann.org<mailto:community-finance-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "xavier.calvez@icann.org<mailto:xavier.calvez@icann.org>" <xavier.calvez@icann.org<mailto:xavier.calvez@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday 1 March 2016 at 07:13 To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>, "community-finance@icann.org<mailto:community-finance@icann.org>" <community-finance@icann.org<mailto:community-finance@icann.org>>, "cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>" <cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>>, "icann-board@icann.org<mailto:icann-board@icann.org>" <icann-board@icann.org<mailto:icann-board@icann.org>> Cc: Senior Management Team <senior-management-team@icann.org<mailto:senior-management-team@icann.org>>, Global Leadership <global_leadership@icann.org<mailto:global_leadership@icann.org>> Subject: [community-finance] Updated IANA Stewardship Transition Expenses Information as of 31 December 2015 Dear all, Please find below a link to the quarterly update as of 31 December 2015 of the IANA Stewardship transition projects expenses. This update provides for the project’s costs from 1 July 2014 until 31 December 2015 (18 months). https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/iana-stewardship-project-costs Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. Best, Xavier Xavier Calvez CFO ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1 (310) 301-5838 Fax: +1 (310) 957-2348 Cell: +1 (805) 312-0052 ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2016.0.7303 / Virus Database: 4537/11693 - Release Date: 02/25/16
So Jones Day is on the inside leg and maybe that is not all good. Yes, we know they are responsible for the legal environment of ICANN, the corporation; told y'all a long time ago it is a lot more useful to focus on Jones Day analysis of transition than any other. Let's get real. A director of an American corporation would be dumber than a small pet rock to deal with all these matters absent counsel they know. And more important, they can consistently trust. It is what it is. You play the hand you get. Second, it is not the legal jockey's fault that we ask them to answer political - as opposed to legal - questions. Said it before. If I had my shingle hung and got in on this deal, know well I would bill every red cent my time affords. We got off light, IMHO. Turn up for a gunfight with a knife and it serves you right to get shot between the eyes at 300 feet. ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
I have heard many long-time members of the ICANN community opine that Jones Day, in coordination with the General Counsel (who is a former Jones Day attorney), wields decisive behind-the-scenes power within ICANN.
The issue is not cost, or quality of the legal work, but a persistent mindset regarding the interplay between the Corporation and the Community.
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Xavier
Thanks for sharing this information. It’s useful, though I suspect it’ll raise as many questions as it answers.
One thing I did notice was in relation to the legal fees. Doing some back of the envelope calculations and noting how much ICANN generally spends on legal fees one question did come to mind, and this in relation to ICANN’s overall budgeting.
How often does ICANN change law firms?
Has ICANN ever changed law firms? As far as I can tell Jones Day has been doing ICANN’s legal work since ICANN’s formation
Has ICANN ever put its external legal work out to any form of tender?
While I know that people can argue that legal advice is not purely a numbers game, I’m also pretty sure that there are other law firms out that that would provide a similar service and potentially at a lower price. And my comments are no reflection on the quality of Jones Day’s work, but considering how much ICANN pays is legal fees per year I think it’s a question someone should ask.
Regards
Michele
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Dear all,
Please find below a link to the quarterly update as of 31 December 2015 of the IANA Stewardship transition projects expenses. This update provides for the project’s costs from 1 July 2014 until 31 December 2015 (18 months).
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/iana-stewardship-project-costs
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thank you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier Calvez
CFO
ICANN
12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los Angeles, CA 90094
Office: +1 (310) 301-5838
Fax: +1 (310) 957-2348
Cell: +1 (805) 312-0052
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Correcting the record, it has been pointed out to me that John Jeffrey did not work at Jones Day, and I hereby correct the record. See https://www.icann.org/profiles/john-jeffrey Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:46 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Xavier J. Calvez; accountability-cross-community@icann.org; community-finance@icann.org; cwg-stewardship@icann.org; icann-board@icann.org Cc: Senior Management Team; global_leadership@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [community-finance] Updated IANA Stewardship Transition Expenses Information as of 31 December 2015 I have heard many long-time members of the ICANN community opine that Jones Day, in coordination with the General Counsel (who is a former Jones Day attorney), wields decisive behind-the-scenes power within ICANN. The issue is not cost, or quality of the legal work, but a persistent mindset regarding the interplay between the Corporation and the Community. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: community-finance-bounces@icann.org<mailto:community-finance-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:community-finance-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 9:09 AM To: Xavier J. Calvez; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>; community-finance@icann.org<mailto:community-finance@icann.org>; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>; icann-board@icann.org<mailto:icann-board@icann.org> Cc: global_leadership@icann.org<mailto:global_leadership@icann.org>; Senior Management Team Subject: Re: [community-finance] Updated IANA Stewardship Transition Expenses Information as of 31 December 2015 Xavier Thanks for sharing this information. It’s useful, though I suspect it’ll raise as many questions as it answers. One thing I did notice was in relation to the legal fees. Doing some back of the envelope calculations and noting how much ICANN generally spends on legal fees one question did come to mind, and this in relation to ICANN’s overall budgeting. How often does ICANN change law firms? Has ICANN ever changed law firms? As far as I can tell Jones Day has been doing ICANN’s legal work since ICANN’s formation Has ICANN ever put its external legal work out to any form of tender? While I know that people can argue that legal advice is not purely a numbers game, I’m also pretty sure that there are other law firms out that that would provide a similar service and potentially at a lower price. And my comments are no reflection on the quality of Jones Day’s work, but considering how much ICANN pays is legal fees per year I think it’s a question someone should ask. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <community-finance-bounces@icann.org<mailto:community-finance-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "xavier.calvez@icann.org<mailto:xavier.calvez@icann.org>" <xavier.calvez@icann.org<mailto:xavier.calvez@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday 1 March 2016 at 07:13 To: "accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>>, "community-finance@icann.org<mailto:community-finance@icann.org>" <community-finance@icann.org<mailto:community-finance@icann.org>>, "cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>" <cwg-stewardship@icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org>>, "icann-board@icann.org<mailto:icann-board@icann.org>" <icann-board@icann.org<mailto:icann-board@icann.org>> Cc: Senior Management Team <senior-management-team@icann.org<mailto:senior-management-team@icann.org>>, Global Leadership <global_leadership@icann.org<mailto:global_leadership@icann.org>> Subject: [community-finance] Updated IANA Stewardship Transition Expenses Information as of 31 December 2015 Dear all, Please find below a link to the quarterly update as of 31 December 2015 of the IANA Stewardship transition projects expenses. This update provides for the project’s costs from 1 July 2014 until 31 December 2015 (18 months). https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/iana-stewardship-project-costs Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. Best, Xavier Xavier Calvez CFO ICANN 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300 Los Angeles, CA 90094 Office: +1 (310) 301-5838 Fax: +1 (310) 957-2348 Cell: +1 (805) 312-0052 ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2016.0.7303 / Virus Database: 4537/11693 - Release Date: 02/25/16 ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2016.0.7303 / Virus Database: 4537/11693 - Release Date: 02/25/16
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