Hi Grace, If possible, I request the secretariat to share country-wise statistics for active participants on the CWG mailing list. By active participants, I mean people who sent more than 10 mails to the mailing list during the entire proposal development phase. Additionally, I request to secretariat to share similar country-wise statistics for participants who physically attended at least 1 F2F meeting. I understand this may be time consuming but this data will be extremely helpful for academic assessment of participation by the global multistakeholder community in the CWG proposal development process. If such calculations are outside the scope of the secretariats profile, I would request you to extract the raw data from mailman and share it in an excel/sql/etc file. Thanks! Guru
Hi, Given that the mailing list archives are available as are the attendance sheets, I think that if this is for academic purposes, getting a student who can to do the work, especially if they can code simple scripts, would be possible. avri On 12-Oct-15 14:55, Guru Acharya wrote:
Hi Grace,
If possible, I request the secretariat to share country-wise statistics for active participants on the CWG mailing list. By active participants, I mean people who sent more than 10 mails to the mailing list during the entire proposal development phase. Additionally, I request to secretariat to share similar country-wise statistics for participants who physically attended at least 1 F2F meeting.
I understand this may be time consuming but this data will be extremely helpful for academic assessment of participation by the global multistakeholder community in the CWG proposal development process.
If such calculations are outside the scope of the secretariats profile, I would request you to extract the raw data from mailman and share it in an excel/sql/etc file.
Thanks! Guru
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Hi all I¹m sorry for the delay in responding, but Avri seems to have addressed what I was intending to post. We do not have any more raw data other than what is publicly available. There are a few parts that you could use to compile the information you need: * Mailing list archives: https://community.icann.org/x/Wg3xAg. There are many CWG-Stewardship mailing lists, so depending on which one you use, your data sets will look different. * Attendance logs: https://community.icann.org/x/SQUdAw. We only built an Excel document for attendance on the full CWG-Stewardship meetings. The other meetings all have attendance tracked, but you would need to go to each meeting page if you wanted that data. * Diversity stats: https://community.icann.org/x/3zbxAg. This page shows the diversity of the CWG-Stewardship members and participants based on their SOIs. Hope this helps, Grace On 10/13/15, 10:22 AM, "cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
Given that the mailing list archives are available as are the attendance sheets, I think that if this is for academic purposes, getting a student who can to do the work, especially if they can code simple scripts, would be possible.
avri
On 12-Oct-15 14:55, Guru Acharya wrote:
Hi Grace,
If possible, I request the secretariat to share country-wise statistics for active participants on the CWG mailing list. By active participants, I mean people who sent more than 10 mails to the mailing list during the entire proposal development phase. Additionally, I request to secretariat to share similar country-wise statistics for participants who physically attended at least 1 F2F meeting.
I understand this may be time consuming but this data will be extremely helpful for academic assessment of participation by the global multistakeholder community in the CWG proposal development process.
If such calculations are outside the scope of the secretariats profile, I would request you to extract the raw data from mailman and share it in an excel/sql/etc file.
Thanks! Guru
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Dear all, We at CIS did this, and included stats in our ICG submission: https://comments.ianacg.org/pdf/submission/submission126.pdf (pg 11)
If one counts participation across the main lists where the final shape of the ICG proposal were thrashed out (ICANN’s ICG and CWG-Stewardship lists, the NRO’s IANAxfer and CRISP list, and the IETF’s IANAPLAN), then a total of 239 individuals participated. Of these 239, only 98 substantively contributed to the final shape of the ICG proposal, if one takes a count of 20 mails (admittedly, an arbitrary cut-off) as a substantive contribution, with 12 of these 98 being ICANN staff some of whom were largely performing an administrative function.
* Of these 98, 39 (or 1 in 4) were, as far as one could ascertain from public records, from a single country: the United States of America.
* Of these 98, 77 (or 8 in 10) were, as far as one could ascertain from public records, participants from countries which are part of the WEOG UN grouping (which includes Western Europe, US, Canada, Israel, Australia, and New Zealand), which only has developed countries. None of those who participated substantively were from the EEC (Eastern European) group and only 5 of 98 from GRULAC (Latin American and Caribbean Group).
* Of these 98, 77 (or 8 in 10) were male and 21 were female, as far as one could ascertain from public records.
* Of these 98, 76 (or 8 in 10) were identifiable as primarily being from industry or the technical community, as far as one could ascertain from public records, with only 4 (or 1 in 25) being readily identifiable as primarily speaking on behalf of governments.
Pulling these stats together is not easy: 1. The different mail archives are not all available in the same mbox format, making it difficult to script for things such as the e-mail address (since not all "From:" lines are actually the e-mail address from which the mail has been sent). Some lists don't allow for easy downloading of their archives (the APNIC list on the IANA transition, for instance, doesn't). I had to use multiple scripts and then painstakingly combine their data. 2. It is not always easy to say where a person is from, to determine their sex as a binary, to say which stakeholder community they belong to, etc. There are also frequently overlaps. So these are sometimes difficult calls to make. We will be cleaning up the data and putting up the classification spreadsheet soon, if you're interested. Cheers, Pranesh Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad@icann.org> [2015-10-13 14:32:25 +0000]:
Hi all ‹
I¹m sorry for the delay in responding, but Avri seems to have addressed what I was intending to post.
We do not have any more raw data other than what is publicly available. There are a few parts that you could use to compile the information you need: * Mailing list archives: https://community.icann.org/x/Wg3xAg. There are many CWG-Stewardship mailing lists, so depending on which one you use, your data sets will look different. * Attendance logs: https://community.icann.org/x/SQUdAw. We only built an Excel document for attendance on the full CWG-Stewardship meetings. The other meetings all have attendance tracked, but you would need to go to each meeting page if you wanted that data. * Diversity stats: https://community.icann.org/x/3zbxAg. This page shows the diversity of the CWG-Stewardship members and participants based on their SOIs. Hope this helps, Grace
On 10/13/15, 10:22 AM, "cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
Given that the mailing list archives are available as are the attendance sheets, I think that if this is for academic purposes, getting a student who can to do the work, especially if they can code simple scripts, would be possible.
avri
On 12-Oct-15 14:55, Guru Acharya wrote:
Hi Grace,
If possible, I request the secretariat to share country-wise statistics for active participants on the CWG mailing list. By active participants, I mean people who sent more than 10 mails to the mailing list during the entire proposal development phase. Additionally, I request to secretariat to share similar country-wise statistics for participants who physically attended at least 1 F2F meeting.
I understand this may be time consuming but this data will be extremely helpful for academic assessment of participation by the global multistakeholder community in the CWG proposal development process.
If such calculations are outside the scope of the secretariats profile, I would request you to extract the raw data from mailman and share it in an excel/sql/etc file.
Thanks! Guru
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I’d love to see this (For nothing other than personal curiosity) -jg On 13/10/2015, 5:20 p.m., "cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Pranesh Prakash" <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of pranesh@cis-india.org> wrote:
Dear all, We at CIS did this, and included stats in our ICG submission: https://comments.ianacg.org/pdf/submission/submission126.pdf (pg 11)
If one counts participation across the main lists where the final shape of the ICG proposal were thrashed out (ICANN’s ICG and CWG-Stewardship lists, the NRO’s IANAxfer and CRISP list, and the IETF’s IANAPLAN), then a total of 239 individuals participated. Of these 239, only 98 substantively contributed to the final shape of the ICG proposal, if one takes a count of 20 mails (admittedly, an arbitrary cut-off) as a substantive contribution, with 12 of these 98 being ICANN staff some of whom were largely performing an administrative function.
* Of these 98, 39 (or 1 in 4) were, as far as one could ascertain from public records, from a single country: the United States of America.
* Of these 98, 77 (or 8 in 10) were, as far as one could ascertain from public records, participants from countries which are part of the WEOG UN grouping (which includes Western Europe, US, Canada, Israel, Australia, and New Zealand), which only has developed countries. None of those who participated substantively were from the EEC (Eastern European) group and only 5 of 98 from GRULAC (Latin American and Caribbean Group).
* Of these 98, 77 (or 8 in 10) were male and 21 were female, as far as one could ascertain from public records.
* Of these 98, 76 (or 8 in 10) were identifiable as primarily being from industry or the technical community, as far as one could ascertain from public records, with only 4 (or 1 in 25) being readily identifiable as primarily speaking on behalf of governments.
Pulling these stats together is not easy:
1. The different mail archives are not all available in the same mbox format, making it difficult to script for things such as the e-mail address (since not all "From:" lines are actually the e-mail address from which the mail has been sent). Some lists don't allow for easy downloading of their archives (the APNIC list on the IANA transition, for instance, doesn't). I had to use multiple scripts and then painstakingly combine their data. 2. It is not always easy to say where a person is from, to determine their sex as a binary, to say which stakeholder community they belong to, etc. There are also frequently overlaps. So these are sometimes difficult calls to make.
We will be cleaning up the data and putting up the classification spreadsheet soon, if you're interested.
Cheers, Pranesh
Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad@icann.org> [2015-10-13 14:32:25 +0000]:
Hi all ‹
I¹m sorry for the delay in responding, but Avri seems to have addressed what I was intending to post.
We do not have any more raw data other than what is publicly available. There are a few parts that you could use to compile the information you need: * Mailing list archives: https://community.icann.org/x/Wg3xAg. There are many CWG-Stewardship mailing lists, so depending on which one you use, your data sets will look different. * Attendance logs: https://community.icann.org/x/SQUdAw. We only built an Excel document for attendance on the full CWG-Stewardship meetings. The other meetings all have attendance tracked, but you would need to go to each meeting page if you wanted that data. * Diversity stats: https://community.icann.org/x/3zbxAg. This page shows the diversity of the CWG-Stewardship members and participants based on their SOIs. Hope this helps, Grace
On 10/13/15, 10:22 AM, "cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
Given that the mailing list archives are available as are the attendance sheets, I think that if this is for academic purposes, getting a student who can to do the work, especially if they can code simple scripts, would be possible.
avri
On 12-Oct-15 14:55, Guru Acharya wrote:
Hi Grace,
If possible, I request the secretariat to share country-wise statistics for active participants on the CWG mailing list. By active participants, I mean people who sent more than 10 mails to the mailing list during the entire proposal development phase. Additionally, I request to secretariat to share similar country-wise statistics for participants who physically attended at least 1 F2F meeting.
I understand this may be time consuming but this data will be extremely helpful for academic assessment of participation by the global multistakeholder community in the CWG proposal development process.
If such calculations are outside the scope of the secretariats profile, I would request you to extract the raw data from mailman and share it in an excel/sql/etc file.
Thanks! Guru
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Hi Pranesh. This is extremely interesting. Look forward to you publishing the data. Could you share how many people participated from each of the BRICS countries? Thanks for the suggestions Grace and Avri. Im running a script now to spider through the mailman archives to capture the data. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:53 PM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
I’d love to see this (For nothing other than personal curiosity)
-jg
On 13/10/2015, 5:20 p.m., "cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Pranesh Prakash" <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of pranesh@cis-india.org> wrote:
Dear all, We at CIS did this, and included stats in our ICG submission: https://comments.ianacg.org/pdf/submission/submission126.pdf (pg 11)
If one counts participation across the main lists where the final shape
of the ICG proposal were thrashed out (ICANN’s ICG and CWG-Stewardship lists, the NRO’s IANAxfer and CRISP list, and the IETF’s IANAPLAN), then a total of 239 individuals participated. Of these 239, only 98 substantively contributed to the final shape of the ICG proposal, if one takes a count of 20 mails (admittedly, an arbitrary cut-off) as a substantive contribution, with 12 of these 98 being ICANN staff some of whom were largely performing an administrative function.
* Of these 98, 39 (or 1 in 4) were, as far as one could ascertain
from public records, from a single country: the United States of America.
* Of these 98, 77 (or 8 in 10) were, as far as one could ascertain
from public records, participants from countries which are part of the WEOG UN grouping (which includes Western Europe, US, Canada, Israel, Australia, and New Zealand), which only has developed countries. None of those who participated substantively were from the EEC (Eastern European) group and only 5 of 98 from GRULAC (Latin American and Caribbean Group).
* Of these 98, 77 (or 8 in 10) were male and 21 were female, as far
as one could ascertain from public records.
* Of these 98, 76 (or 8 in 10) were identifiable as primarily being
from industry or the technical community, as far as one could ascertain from public records, with only 4 (or 1 in 25) being readily identifiable as primarily speaking on behalf of governments.
Pulling these stats together is not easy:
1. The different mail archives are not all available in the same mbox format, making it difficult to script for things such as the e-mail address (since not all "From:" lines are actually the e-mail address from which the mail has been sent). Some lists don't allow for easy downloading of their archives (the APNIC list on the IANA transition, for instance, doesn't). I had to use multiple scripts and then painstakingly combine their data. 2. It is not always easy to say where a person is from, to determine their sex as a binary, to say which stakeholder community they belong to, etc. There are also frequently overlaps. So these are sometimes difficult calls to make.
We will be cleaning up the data and putting up the classification spreadsheet soon, if you're interested.
Cheers, Pranesh
Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad@icann.org> [2015-10-13 14:32:25 +0000]:
Hi all ‹
I¹m sorry for the delay in responding, but Avri seems to have addressed what I was intending to post.
We do not have any more raw data other than what is publicly available. There are a few parts that you could use to compile the information you need: * Mailing list archives: https://community.icann.org/x/Wg3xAg. There are many CWG-Stewardship mailing lists, so depending on which one you use, your data sets will look different. * Attendance logs: https://community.icann.org/x/SQUdAw. We only built an Excel document for attendance on the full CWG-Stewardship meetings. The other meetings all have attendance tracked, but you would need to go to each meeting page if you wanted that data. * Diversity stats: https://community.icann.org/x/3zbxAg. This page shows the diversity of the CWG-Stewardship members and participants based on their SOIs. Hope this helps, Grace
On 10/13/15, 10:22 AM, "cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org on behalf of avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
Given that the mailing list archives are available as are the attendance sheets, I think that if this is for academic purposes, getting a student who can to do the work, especially if they can code simple scripts, would be possible.
avri
On 12-Oct-15 14:55, Guru Acharya wrote:
Hi Grace,
If possible, I request the secretariat to share country-wise statistics for active participants on the CWG mailing list. By active participants, I mean people who sent more than 10 mails to the mailing list during the entire proposal development phase. Additionally, I request to secretariat to share similar country-wise statistics for participants who physically attended at least 1 F2F meeting.
I understand this may be time consuming but this data will be extremely helpful for academic assessment of participation by the global multistakeholder community in the CWG proposal development process.
If such calculations are outside the scope of the secretariats profile, I would request you to extract the raw data from mailman and share it in an excel/sql/etc file.
Thanks! Guru
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