Wrap up from Bylaws call
Hi all, Our call ended a bit abruptly due to a technical issue with the phone line. Lise has asked me to send a recap note with documents. Recap of CWG-Stewardship Bylaws Review - 4 April 2016 @ 18:00 UTC We have 9 days left to review the draft Bylaws in keeping with the overall timeline for the transition. Sharon Flanagan from Sidley provided a thorough overview of the areas of interest to the CWG bylaws to focus on (PTI, CSC, IFR), and the outstanding issues for clarification. She noted that escalation processes will be included in PTI-ICANN contract, and that the CSC Charter is a separate document per the CWG-Stewardship prior request. Following the presentation from Sharon, Lise asked for the three key DT leads (Donna for CSC, Chuck for Budget and Escalation; Avri for Reviews and Separation Process) to take the charge on responding to the issues for clarification list and reading through the relevant sections of the draft bylaws text. A proposed set of responses is to be provided to the CWG-Stewardship via the mailing list no later than Friday 8 April. In the meantime, all are welcome (and encouraged) to review and provide responses on the mailing list. There were some questions about PTI funding and budget. These will be addressed by DT-O on their calls this Tuesday and Thursday. More documents! The draft bylaws were released for 10-day community review on Sunday 3 April. Along with the bylaws draft, there was a document with a list of questions and clarifications to address. These documents are attached in PDF and Word formats and named: “Draft New ICANN Bylaws” "Issues for Bylaws Coordination Group” Since the release of these documents, the legal teams have provided redline comparisons of the old vs. new bylaws. Sharon provided a CWG-specific one to share with the group. These documents are: "Redline – April 2 Draft Bylaws compared to Current Bylaws” "CWG Bylaws Redline” To assist the DT-leads with their response drafting, I have prepared a template similar to the one we used in the first review of the bylaws (Nov 2015 – March 2016). This is the bare-bones version to kick-start the work. We can fill out more of the table as responses come in. “Responses to Bylaws Coordination Group – 4 April" More calls! In addition to the CWG-Stewardship-specific calls, if you are interested in the CCWG-Accountability bylaws, please join the CCWG-Accountability’s calls. The adobe room for the CCWG-Accountability calls is open to observers: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/. The calls are scheduled for: 5 April at 19:00 UTC 7 April at 12:00 UTC Finally, we expect that Jonathan will be available to lead a 2nd CWG-Stewardship Bylaws Review call on Monday 11 April from 15:00 – 16:30 UTC. Once we confirm his availability, we will confirm the call and send calendar invitations out. This is important work! This is the final stretch. The CWG-Stewardship has been active for 547 days, and has made lots of impactful decisions on the future of the IANA Stewardship. The next few days are the ones where you can play a role the engraining those decisions. It’s a unique opportunity. Let’s do this! — Grace -- Grace Abuhamad Manager, Public Policy ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers 801 17th Street NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20006 Direct: +1 202 249 7545 | Mobile: +1 310 200 7638 Interested in the IANA Stewardship Transition? LEARN MORE. STAY UPDATED. FOLLOW. ENGAGE.
Hi, On 04-Apr-16 18:38, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
Following the presentation from Sharon, Lise asked for the three key DT leads (Donna for CSC, Chuck for Budget and Escalation; Avri for Reviews and Separation Process)
Attached are the draft responses for IFR/SIFR and SCWG (ref 18 & 19) Also can be found in <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hNy8krPSZVYTBUGkVUck74NDnPLR5i9IPvfZW1Ka...> and still open for comments and further suggestions. These responses were developed by Matt and me and posted to DT-N for 24 hrs. There were no comments from the DT. I admit it was done at the very last minute and not everyone in the DT might have had the time to review avri --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Thanks Avri, added a few comments on the document. Cheers! Sent from my LG G4 Kindly excuse brevity and typos On 9 Apr 2016 5:39 a.m., "avri doria" <avri@acm.org> wrote:
Hi,
On 04-Apr-16 18:38, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
Following the presentation from Sharon, Lise asked for the three key DT leads (Donna for CSC, Chuck for Budget and Escalation; Avri for Reviews and Separation Process)
Attached are the draft responses for IFR/SIFR and SCWG (ref 18 & 19)
Also can be found in < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hNy8krPSZVYTBUGkVUck74NDnPLR5i9IPvfZW1Ka...
and still open for comments and further suggestions.
These responses were developed by Matt and me and posted to DT-N for 24 hrs. There were no comments from the DT. I admit it was done at the very last minute and not everyone in the DT might have had the time to review
avri
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Hi Avri, 13: I must admit I have always seen "consumers of the IANA naming functions (as distinct from the ICANN community at large) as specifically the registry operators. This is an important distinction - the SOW is heavily focussed on the needs of the direct customers and is a technical performance document. Yes, there might be an impact on the customers of the registries and on end users, but that is the chain of accountability, isn't it? There was also some more recent discussion about decisions made affecting the IANA functions operation - again my memory was that, while the wider community would be consulted, changes would not be implemented in face of opposition from the direct customers. 16: Did I miss something on this? I thought that the initiation of the Special IFR was quite clearly defined in paragraph 303 of the CWG-Stewardship proposal. And paragraph 304 proposes that the requirement to conduct and facilitate the periodic and special IANA Functions Review would be articulated in the ICANN Bylaws... I would have no problems about the ccNSO and GNSO going through some form of escalation process with the wider community, should they consider this appropriate, but the thing about the Special IFR is that it is looking at addressing failures in delivery of a vital service. It certainly seems to me that there is a fundamental difference here between the Special and Periodic Reviews. 20: I agree with the response. In the case where an RfP becomes necessary, having some experience in managing such processes is probably helpful. But the underlying point is that this is essentially a technically focussed role: it is more important that the members of the SCWG understand the issues of delivering the IANA functions operation and the needs of the direct customers than the mechanics of running an RfP: if that is required, couldn't this be met through co-opting people with the necessary expertise? 22: Paragraph 399 requires that an ICANN Board decision not to approve be for SCWG recommendations approved by supermajority of the ccNSO and GNSO Councils. This would seem to be logical given the direct impact on registries - it is all about delivery of the service and conformity with agreed policy. It would also be in line with discussions about having agreement from registries for material changes. As others have said, a CWG (of which the SCWG is one) works by consensus: why should the SCWG be an exception? Martin -----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of avri doria Sent: 09 April 2016 05:08 To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Wrap up from Bylaws call Hi, On 04-Apr-16 18:38, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
Following the presentation from Sharon, Lise asked for the three key DT leads (Donna for CSC, Chuck for Budget and Escalation; Avri for Reviews and Separation Process)
Attached are the draft responses for IFR/SIFR and SCWG (ref 18 & 19) Also can be found in <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hNy8krPSZVYTBUGkVUck74NDnPLR5i9IPvfZW1Ka...> and still open for comments and further suggestions. These responses were developed by Matt and me and posted to DT-N for 24 hrs. There were no comments from the DT. I admit it was done at the very last minute and not everyone in the DT might have had the time to review avri --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On 09-Apr-16 19:38, Martin Boyle wrote:
Hi Avri,
13: I must admit I have always seen "consumers of the IANA naming functions (as distinct from the ICANN community at large) as specifically the registry operators. This is an important distinction - the SOW is heavily focussed on the needs of the direct customers and is a technical performance document. Yes, there might be an impact on the customers of the registries and on end users, but that is the chain of accountability, isn't it?
There was also some more recent discussion about decisions made affecting the IANA functions operation - again my memory was that, while the wider community would be consulted, changes would not be implemented in face of opposition from the direct customers.
I though the question was trying to distinguish between 'consumers of' in the reviews and 'direct customers' in the CSC sense. And in the discussion of the reviews, while the direct customers were given a larger role with extra seats on all the review mechanism's teams, the broader definition of consumer was used in the review, as we are all consumers.
16: Did I miss something on this? I thought that the initiation of the Special IFR was quite clearly defined in paragraph 303 of the CWG-Stewardship proposal. And paragraph 304 proposes that the requirement to conduct and facilitate the periodic and special IANA Functions Review would be articulated in the ICANN Bylaws...
I would have no problems about the ccNSO and GNSO going through some form of escalation process with the wider community, should they consider this appropriate, but the thing about the Special IFR is that it is looking at addressing failures in delivery of a vital service. It certainly seems to me that there is a fundamental difference here between the Special and Periodic Reviews.
Not understanding your question. Yes, they are initiated differently, and indeed the answer is somewhat wrong in indicating the only difference being the initiation mechanisms because the SIFR also may have a narrower scope in being focused on the problem, but I do not understand the point you are making.
20: I agree with the response. In the case where an RfP becomes necessary, having some experience in managing such processes is probably helpful. But the underlying point is that this is essentially a technically focussed role: it is more important that the members of the SCWG understand the issues of delivering the IANA functions operation and the needs of the direct customers than the mechanics of running an RfP: if that is required, couldn't this be met through co-opting people with the necessary expertise?
Are you indicating that extra requirements should be stated in the bylaws beyond the RFP experience requirement?
22: Paragraph 399 requires that an ICANN Board decision not to approve be for SCWG recommendations approved by supermajority of the ccNSO and GNSO Councils. This would seem to be logical given the direct impact on registries - it is all about delivery of the service and conformity with agreed policy. It would also be in line with discussions about having agreement from registries for material changes.
As others have said, a CWG (of which the SCWG is one) works by consensus: why should the SCWG be an exception?
While consensus is required in the case of most CWGs, I thought that there was always the possibility in CWGs that a decsision could be made by majority. In GNSOp PDPs, this means that the Board can reject with a lower threshold, I am not sure what we determined for this case in CWGs. Thanks for the questions. avri
Martin
-----Original Message----- From: cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of avri doria Sent: 09 April 2016 05:08 To: cwg-stewardship@icann.org Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Wrap up from Bylaws call
Hi,
On 04-Apr-16 18:38, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
Following the presentation from Sharon, Lise asked for the three key DT leads (Donna for CSC, Chuck for Budget and Escalation; Avri for Reviews and Separation Process) Attached are the draft responses for IFR/SIFR and SCWG (ref 18 & 19)
Also can be found in <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hNy8krPSZVYTBUGkVUck74NDnPLR5i9IPvfZW1Ka...> and still open for comments and further suggestions.
These responses were developed by Matt and me and posted to DT-N for 24 hrs. There were no comments from the DT. I admit it was done at the very last minute and not everyone in the DT might have had the time to review
avri
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