Re[2]: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic GP meetings

I sure, no problem with understanding of the procedure of forming and including/excluding the some code points of the MSR and upgrade procedure of the MSR.

A focal point of this topic (point #3) - the policies of the Cyrillic GP on discuss "what the code points should be recommended to include in the MSR by decision of the Panel?"

In particular, we discussed the code point U+02BC - apostrophe for Ukraine/Belarus. But in general the same casus can appear within any Cyrillic alphabet.

And we have two approaches which have small but important differences from each other. I tried describe ones in my email.

All general aims are clear and what/how to finish the "Proposal..." we discussed yesterday.

Meanwhile, we need give own suggestions and propositions on remarks and comments of the IP. It will give us the subject-matter for future work.

Dear all,

I think that we have a problem to understand what is tha task of our panel.

It will be helpfull if all memebrs of the panel read again the at the end of the following page

https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Document+Repository

Documents in question

Generation Panels - Quick Guide Kit

and

Setting up and Running a Generation Panel

the second document is translated to several languages.

If we focus on the matter, we might compose Cyrillic GP Panel.

On the other hand , if there is any problems with current MSR, the explanation how MSR is composed could be found at

https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-04-27-en

If someone has need to change anything in MSR he/she should contact Integration panel, and

find the way to submit his/her request for changes.

All MSR versions had public comment periods after announcing the new version, it might be another way to rise the problem.

Best regards

Mirjana

On 13.8.2015 16:24, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:

If "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments..." modify to "...does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group group together analyses and helps to formulate such arguments in favour of including..." - it would be more correctly to interests of the all Cyrillic community. Because "tomorrow" might be find arguments for non inclusion in the MSR other code points in the other alphabets. Whether we stand inside?

The such approach requires all members of the Panel to generate the reasons "WHY YES", rather than finding the reasons "WHY NO". It seems to me that it's more subjective for collaboration.

By the way, in Russian the apostrophe use also - КотʼдʼВуар (country), ДʼАртаньян (the hero of "The three Musketeers").

Hi Oleksandr,

I in no way meant that the apostrophe issue is unimportant. What I meant is that it is currently not in the MSR and amending the MSR is not exactly the remit of this group.

It was not included in the MSR intentionally, and not as a result of an oversight. There are multiple materials produced by the Integration Panel that address the reasons why certain characters are included or not included in the MSR.

If somebody (presumably a Ukranian or Belarusian speaking member) does a rational analysis of the reasons provided by the IP, finds the arguments to refute their rationale and the group agrees with those arguments - it is then that we as a group will have enough ammunition to pursue MSR amendment. But not before, sorry.

I will be very interested to hear what other group members think.

Thank you,

Vladimir

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Oleksandr Tsaruk <oleksandr.tsaruk@gmail.com> wrote:

2Vladimir

on "On item 3" If U do not SEE it at ABC U can find it at АБВ...

I am Very surprprised how this importent issued still needs to be considered among group members!

on item 1 - Letter- we need to istruct what and how to state but not duscuss the text. the have the paper already considered.

rgrds

Oleksandr

Yours sincerely,

Oleksandr Tsaruk, Ph.D.

2015-08-12 18:12 GMT+03:00 Vladimir Shadrunov <info@vlad.tel>:

Yuri and All,

On item 1 - the letter - I'll draft one and circulate to the list to seek input from group members.

On item 3 - apostrophe - I don't see how this issue belongs to the remit of Cyrillic GP, unless the entire group comes to a consensus that apostrophe has to be included in MSR-3. Otherwise I would suggest this discussion with the integration panel is conducted by the Ukrainian and Belarusian representatives without the involvement of the Cyrillic GP group.

Thanks,

Vladimir

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info> wrote:

Dear ALL,

Allow a few notes on our work (on hot trails):

1) the draft of the letter to Russian linguists will preparing by

Vladimir.

2) further support the contact and try to involve them in our

work-Vladimir and I (as carriers of the Russian language)

3) on the apostrophe issue - we are trying to arrange a meeting the

representatives of the Ukrainian and Belarus community with the

representatives of the Integration Panel (with the help of Sarmad)

4) discussing in emailing the issue of "Cyr-221 (Old Slavonic)".

Perhaps clear up some additional information.

5) on the issue of attracting and involving experts from the Central

Asian region.

I, unfortunately, will not be present in Yerevan. But I can give the

contacts of people with whom I have previously discussed participation

in the Panel. I have previously received their consent. I'm ready

again to clarify their position and give all contacts. Who is willing

to continue this dialogue in Yerevan?

6) Mariana, suggested a working group on the development of solutions

for the MSR-3; it's corresponds to the meaning of the Integration

Panel comments.

Regards,

Yuri

Monday, August 10, 2015, 12:25:18 PM, you wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,

> Please, find the comments on comments :)

> Please let us have your suggestions, corrections, additions, deletions.

> Regards,

> Yuri

> Sunday, August 9, 2015, 9:05:14 PM, you wrote:

>> Dear All,

>> Based on the responses so far, the time we used to meet before, i.e.

>> Wednesdays at 12 noon UTC, still works.

>> I will send an invitation for Cyrillic GP meeting on Wednesday 12 August at

>> 12noon UTC and then every two weeks after that.

>> Regards,

>> Sarmad

>> From: Sarmad Hussain

>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 2:34 PM

>> To: CyrillicGP@icann.org

>> Subject: Cyrillic GP meetings

>> Dear All,

>> We would like to commence the fortnightly Cyrllic GP meetings from next

>> week. Kindly fill in the slots you will be able to meet at

>> http://doodle.com/gfupidycyi4xxuqy. Based on the responses, I will share

>> the final date and time this Sunday.

>> Best regards,

>> Sarmad

З повагою,

Голова Регламентного комітету,

Ю. Каргаполов mailto:yvk@uanic.info

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