Dear All,
At first, many thanks for all for discussion on "Table no. 3"
To my mind, Dusan correctly underlined that the document clearly
indicates the need to formulate our proposals relative to MSR/LGR.
Moreover, such proposals - is our main aim.
I think we should separate two aspects of this question:
(1) organizational aspect which concern with process of discussion;
about this wrote Mirjana "...We did not discuss table 3 thoroughly..."
and
(2) subject aspect - content of the table no. 3 "as such".
If analyze (1) - yes, we didn't have full-format discussion
(thoroughly) issue "Table no. 3". We had only (a) information in
Dropbox during few month, (b) the will to analyze this information,
(c) few common debates during last conf-call and during private
discussions, and (d) current emailing.
Ok, I can agree - that is maybe not enough.
But "not enough" in what conditions?
For starting stage - I not sure that is "not enough".
If analyze (2) - please, find, detailed Sarmad comment
In any way, we shall discussed point "Table no. 3" during next
conf-call at Thursday. Yet, in this email, I will nothing not write
nor to estimate on this matter.
----
Regards,
Yuri
P.S. About of small work groups, please, find in the last version
"Proposal..." ,
> Cc: cyrillicgp@icann.org <mailto:cyrillicgp@icann.org>
Monday, April 20, 2015, 8:00:49 PM, you wrote:
> Dear Dusan,
>
> The code points short-listed for the LGR proposal for Cyrillic must be a
> subset of code points of the MSR available (currently MSR2).
>
> However, if Cyrillic Generation Panel thinks that there are code points
> excluded from MSR, which should be part of the LGR proposal, they need to
> submit comments against the next revision of MSR which provides concrete
> reasons why the extra code point(s) need to be added and Integration Panel
> will consider this with the next revision of MSR (as MSR2 comment period is
> now closed, the soonest this can be done is for MSR3). However, until the
> additional code point(s) are included in MSR, they cannot be made part of
> the LGR proposal.
>
> So the sub-set relationship IDNA2008>MSR>LGR must be maintained.
>
> In the current proposal, it is up to the Cyrillic GP to keep just the MSR in
> scope (for LGR) or to consider the IDN2008 based subset of Cyrillic table in
> Unicode (to review both MSR and LGR requirements). However, it will be
> useful to make the scope and the reasons for the scope clear in the
> proposal.
>
> Please let me know if you have any additional queries.
>
> Regards,
> Sarmad
>
>
> From: cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org
> [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] On
> Behalf Of Dusan Stojicevic
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 8:59 PM
> To: cyrillicgp@icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic GP meeting 20 April 1200 UTC
>
> Dear all,
> As there are some dimensions that I don't fully understand, I will ask
> Sarmad to clarify this.
> At the "Proposal..." we have> 117. The Cyrillic Generation Panel have
> aim - forming recommendations for MSR and LGR.
> And Mirjana told us that "I am sure that we cannot include in our proposal
> the script that is not included in MSR."
> Sarmad, thank You in advance.
> Also, regarding Table 3, I would like to suggest discussion on the next
> meeting about this question - will we erase Table 3 or not.
> I don't see a confusion as Mirjana, and I don't see there bad practice, but
> I must agree with Mirjana about 1. reason -
> "We did not discuss table 3 thoroughly, so it might be incomplete."
> On the other hand, this cannot be the reason to ommit Table 3 from doc. We
> all agree that this is not complete Table, as far as I can see.
> For me, this can only be the reason to discuss the content of Table 3, but I
> will not go there. I will stop with my suggestion: let us discuss will we
> erase Table 3 or not.
> I will be more than happy that we talk about this on the meeting and make a
> clear decision together.
> About the meeting - is it on Thurday, 12:00 UTC?
> Regards,
> Dušan
> On 20.4.2015 15:50, Mirjana Tasic wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I will support Vladimir's proposal to ommit table 3 from the Proposal for
> the Cyrillic generation panel
>
> This table should be included in one of the documents which we have to
> create in the future. There are few reasons why table 3 should be ommited:
> 1. We did not discuss table 3 thoroughly, so it might be incoplete.
> 2. It is not good practice mixing in the same documents the tasks that the
> panel has to fulfill, and some tables that might be the results of panel
> work.
> 3. My opinion is that this table will create confusion if we include it in
> the very first document.
>
>
> Also I have mentioned in one of my earlier mails that
>
> "
> new version of MSR ( Maximal Starting Repertoire) is published for public
> comment at
>
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-overview-04dec14-en.pdf
>
> The first few lines of our document are the statements what scripts are the
> subject of our GP.
>
> Looking at MSR -2 , Page 11 the script
>
> Cyrs 221 Cyrillic (Old Church Slavonic variant)
>
>
> is not included in MSR because it is not recommanded for use as an
> identifier in
>
> UAX#31
> "
>
> I am sure that we cannot incude in our proposal the script that is not
> included in MSR.
>
>
>
> Reagrds
>
> Mirjana
>
>
> From: cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org
> <mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org>
> [mailto:cyrillicgp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vladimir Shadrunov
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 3:00 PM
> To: Yuriy Kargapolov
> Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] Cyrillic GP meeting 20 April 1200 UTC
>
> Hi Yuiiy and All,
>
> So what about my proposal to delete Table 3 from the document (I think
> Sarmad suggested essentially the same)? I haven't heard any discussion in
> support or objections to this proposal. Does anybody else think it should
> stay in there?
> Thanks,
> Vladimir
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov <yvk@uanic.info
> https://www.myrcplus.com/cnums.asp?bwebid=8369444&ppc=4054049491&num=1-719-4> <mailto:yvk@uanic.info> > wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
> Please, find last version of "Proposal..." for discussion during confcall 20
> April
> New points was marked by yellow color.
> Some information that I didn't received from participants were founded on
> the Internet and filled in the Tables cells, but not all.
> Please note - were suggested time-lines of the stages, finish scheduled for
> Dec 2015
> ---
> Best Regards,
> Yuri
> Saturday, April 18, 2015, 12:28:14 AM, you wrote:
>
> Cyrillic GP meeting re-scheduled to 20 April UTC 1200.
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