Dear all,

I think that Dusan's document is a good step forward.

If the other members agree, I propose that we start using Dusan's  document, to make the changes, additions and deletions, in order to get, in a relatively short time, our proposal for Cyrillic GP.

At a first glance, in Dusan's document, one point is missing, 

2.2 Panel diveristy

but it can be easily added.

We also should agree how shall we submit our changes to the document, how everyone will be informed that there was an action ongoing, how shall we agree on document changes, and who will be responsible to add changes to the document.

In Yuri's document, there are a lot of informations that can help us to finish our first task.

I also want to stress you attention  that there is no information that our group is trying to form Cyrillic GP on the 

https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Generation+Panels

although, other panels are somehow described there.  May be Sarmad could help us with this.


Best regards

Mirjana Tasic
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Poslato: 16. septembar 2015. 17:25
Za: Sarmad Hussain
Cc: cyrillicgp@icann.org
Tema: Re: [Cyrillicgp] New version of "Proposal..." (draft) for comments

Dear Sarmad,

Thanks.

Regards,
Yuri

Wednesday, September 16, 2015, 6:18:44 PM, you wrote:

Dear Yuriy,

The template is just suggestive.  The Cyrillic GP can certainly develop their own format.

Regards,
Sarmad

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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 1:42 PM
To: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan@dukes.in.rs>
Cc: cyrillicgp@icann.org
Subject: Re: [Cyrillicgp] New version of "Proposal..." (draft) for comments

Dear ALL,

Good and acceptable new draft of "Proposal...".

This draft really easier and clear for the current period.

I think we can be based on this one.

@Dusan

Thanks a lot for nice work!

@ Sarmad,

Whether the Dusan's structure can to be combined with the
requirements that have been set out in "Template for Proposal..."?

Can we change the format? For my part, I appeal for support for the format, which offered Dusan.

@Dmitry

I apologize if not precisely gave definition to a some nuances of the situation.

1) we have comments submitted by IP

2) the small part of them were not has not been taken into account by me

3) one such observations were remarks to work plan

4) but I didn't want to make all the changes to the text until it
has received proposals from members of the panel. Dusan did it.

Regards,

Yuri

Wednesday, September 16, 2015, 2:46:13 AM, you wrote:

Dear all,

It's mine fault that I am probably (again) on the plain during the
time of conference call, and I want to apologize for not being there for the second time.

But mine apologies will be filled with this long mail to all of
You. I will try to make some suggestions, trying to solve our
"productiveness" for almost a year.

Starting with some simple results and facts so far:

1. Our proposal was rejected

2. We need more participants

3. We need to work

4. Possible effects of our fail - no new cc or gTLD on Cyrillic script

Therefor I think we need different approach - this one was not productive.

In the attach You can find the document which I call MFR (Minimum
Facts Repertoire) needed for Integration Panel approval. It's a
document based entirely on current Proposal...

Why I did it? Well:

Structure of the current Proposal... did not follow all, or missed
some rules that was written in Sarmad's first document (also in attach).

We raised some good points too early, f.e. Cyrillic - Old Church
Slavonic variant. Why early? Because we can add those points (some
of them are tasks) in the future, when we finish ANY job here, on "basic" Cyrillic.

Also, we must be aware that we are doing things under existing
MSR-2, and our job is NOT what was in Proposal... (quote):

118.     The Cyrillic Generation Panel have aim – forming
recommendations for current and future versions of the MSR and, as final result, forming of LGR.

This is not our task nor aim. There is a procedure for shaping
MSR-3, which is not the aim of our work. Our aim is well described in full name of this doc>

Proposal for the Generation Panel (GP) for the Cyrillic Script
Label Generation Ruleset (LGR) for the Root Zone . It's about making
rules for root zone, not proposing anything for MSR.

Even if it's somehow our task, it cannot be our primary task or
obligatory thing, and we do not need this as a statement with
obligation for us in Proposal... which we can, or cannot fulfill.

Of course, there is a lot of text in current Proposal... Mine
version is more-less without text. Text is needed in MFR.

Personally, I would like to avoid history (we are not historians)
and as I proposed in MFR, it can be written in last paragraph.

We are not here to show ICANN our historic roots, how good is
Cyrillic, or something else - we are here to do our job. I hope that
this work is not about politics, history or culture.

Strongly suggest that You look at Work plan. I made minor changes,
but not enough - we need to say precisely when and what we are going
to do. Keep in mind that our work plan can be changed, in
collaboration with IP during the work, if something occurs (maybe
second script for our work - Old Church Slavonic variant).

Also, if we need F2F meetings - we need to plan this also. You can
find two planed F2F meetings in MFR.

According to all of this, I would like to hear Your opinion about
this doc. Sorry, I didn't have the time to put some wording and
labels. On the other hand, I think that Vladimir and Dmitry are far
more better than me in English, so they can put some text in doc, if You all think that it's ok.

Also, I would like to hear Sarmad's opinion on the doc, its
structure and what we can do to make this MFR better.

@Yuriy - we need to reset things. Your work so far was great, big
and very good, all congrats from my side, but we need a work done not only by You.

Let us do something. And best thing is that we will have (I hope)
some fresh blood who will add some more spices to our work.

@all - let's make our Proposal with necessary minimum, so we can FINALLY start our work.

With deep respect and regards to all of You, and wishes for
fruitful discussion on the conference call,

Dusan

p.s. - if You find MFR useful and good start point, I will provide editable version (doc).

On 15.9.2015 21:52, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote:

I am sorry but I have trouble to understand this paragraph,
particularly: "I suspect that took into account all of the IP's
comments. In particular, I didn't touch working plan, but this
doesn't mean that I don't agree with the suggestions of the IP. We
are waiting for relevant proposal." So, the plan was not changed
because you agree with it, or because of suggestions not yet
incorporated in it? Double negatives are complicated.

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