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From: "Annette Muehlberg" <Annette.Muehlberg@web.de>
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Subject: [EURO-Discuss] Vote on changing of voting rules starts today
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:21:40 +0200
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All,
if something takes place where people have to take action this should be
transparent in the title of the mail (and several days in advance...). =
This
is, why I resend this mail.
So voting on the questions if voting rights should be limited to those =
ALSes
who have signed the MOU will take place from today until wednesday.=20

For clarification: No other voting on any issue will take place until =
this
decision has been taken.

best
annette

> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe
<euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Gesendet: 11.05.07 12:03:31
> An: "W.H=FClsmann (DVD e.V.)" <huelsmann@datenschutzverein.de>
> CC: euro-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org,
"euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Discussion for At-Large Europe"
<euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [EURO-ALS] Voting Porcedure


>=20
> Verner:
>=20
> Thank you for your note. The first vote will be to decide whether or
> not the single ALS who is not a party to the MoU will be voting on the
> ALAC members and the board members.
>=20
> That vote will start today.
>=20
> With respect to the ranking system: This is what was decided in Lisbon
> as the procedure to be used, and so that procedure is carried forward
> to the actual vote. It is the same process that was strongly
> recommended with respect to the board seats, so on a practical level
> it makes sense to use only one type of voting on one ballot to reduce
> confusion.
>=20
> On 11/05/07, W.H=FClsmann (DVD e.V.) <huelsmann@datenschutzverein.de> =
wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > on https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_elections_2007 I =
read:
> >
> > "VOTERS: The designated voters (1 per ALS) of ALSes who have signed =
the
> > Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN either in-person at the =
Lisbon
> > ICANN meeting or digitally via electronic mail - at any time before =
the
> > beginning of the voting"
> >
> > There must be a mistake: First of all we have to decide, if this =
"strong
> > recommendation" will be accepted.
> >
> > Next: If there are two seats we have to vote for ALAC, then every =
voter
> > should have two possible votes. The two candidates with the most =
votes
> > will be elected. This is the democratical way of election. There ist =
no
> > need for such a ranking.
> >
> > After the election of the two members for the ALAC seats we have two
> > decide, how many seats shall the EURALO board have. The election of =
the
> > EURALO boad members can't start before we know how many board =
members
> > are to elect.
> >
> > Kind Regarts,
> >
> > Werner H=FClsmann
> >
> >
> > ####################################################
> > Vorratsdatenspeicherung? Nein Danke!  -  Noch ist es
> > nicht zu sp=E4t: http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de
> > ####################################################
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dipl. Inform. Werner H=FClsmann
> > Vorstandsmitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung f=FCr Datenschutz (DVD) =
e.V.
> > Obere Laube 48 - D-78462 Konstanz
> > Tel.: 07531 / 365905-6 Mobil: 0179 / 46 86 484
> > E-Mail: =
huelsmann@datenschutzverein.dehttp://www.datenschutzverein.de
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EURO-ALS mailing list
> > EURO-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-als_atlarge-lists.ic=
ann
.org
> >
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> --=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Nick Ashton-Hart
> PO Box 32160
> London N4 2XY
> United Kingdom
> UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011
> USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460
> Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135
> mobile: +44 (7774) 932798
> Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com /
> Skype: nashtonhart
> Online Bio:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
>=20
> _______________________________________________
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>All,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>if something takes place where people have to take =
action this should be</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>transparent in the title of the mail (and several =
days in advance...). This</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is, why I resend this mail.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>So voting on the questions if voting rights should be =
limited to those ALSes</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>who have signed the MOU will take place from today =
until wednesday. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For clarification: No other voting on any issue will =
take place until this</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>decision has been taken.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>best</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>annette</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Von: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for =
At-Large Europe</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&lt;euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org&gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Gesendet: 11.05.07 12:03:31</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; An: &quot;W.H=FClsmann (DVD e.V.)&quot; =
&lt;huelsmann@datenschutzverein.de&gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; CC: euro-als@atlarge-lists.icann.org,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org &gt;&gt; =
Discussion for At-Large Europe&quot;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&lt;euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org&gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [EURO-ALS] Voting =
Porcedure</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Verner:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Thank you for your note. The first vote will be =
to decide whether or</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; not the single ALS who is not a party to the MoU =
will be voting on the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; ALAC members and the board members.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; That vote will start today.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; With respect to the ranking system: This is what =
was decided in Lisbon</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; as the procedure to be used, and so that =
procedure is carried forward</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to the actual vote. It is the same process that =
was strongly</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; recommended with respect to the board seats, so =
on a practical level</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; it makes sense to use only one type of voting on =
one ballot to reduce</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; confusion.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On 11/05/07, W.H=FClsmann (DVD e.V.) =
&lt;huelsmann@datenschutzverein.de&gt; wrote:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Hello,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; on <A =
HREF=3D"https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_elections_2007">http=
s://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?euralo_elections_2007</A> I =
read:</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; &quot;VOTERS: The designated voters (1 per =
ALS) of ALSes who have signed the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN =
either in-person at the Lisbon</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; ICANN meeting or digitally via electronic =
mail - at any time before the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; beginning of the voting&quot;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; There must be a mistake: First of all we =
have to decide, if this &quot;strong</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; recommendation&quot; will be =
accepted.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Next: If there are two seats we have to =
vote for ALAC, then every voter</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; should have two possible votes. The two =
candidates with the most votes</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; will be elected. This is the democratical =
way of election. There ist no</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; need for such a ranking.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; After the election of the two members for =
the ALAC seats we have two</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; decide, how many seats shall the EURALO =
board have. The election of the</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; EURALO boad members can't start before we =
know how many board members</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; are to elect.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Kind Regarts,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Werner H=FClsmann</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; =
####################################################</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Vorratsdatenspeicherung? Nein Danke!&nbsp; =
-&nbsp; Noch ist es</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; nicht zu sp=E4t: <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de">http://www.vorratsdatenspe=
icherung.de</A></FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; =
####################################################</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; --</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Dipl. Inform. Werner H=FClsmann</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Vorstandsmitglied der Deutschen Vereinigung =
f=FCr Datenschutz (DVD) e.V.</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Obere Laube 48 - D-78462 Konstanz</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; Tel.: 07531 / 365905-6 Mobil: 0179 / 46 86 =
484</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; E-Mail: =
huelsmann@datenschutzverein.dehttp://www.datenschutzverein.de</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; =
_______________________________________________</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; EURO-ALS mailing list</FONT>

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -- </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -- </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Regards,</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Nick Ashton-Hart</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; PO Box 32160</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; London N4 2XY</FONT>

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