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1. Re: Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference
(Nick Ashton-Hart)
2. Re: Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference
(S?bastien Bachollet)
3. Re: Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference (Kleinw?chter)
4. Re: Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference (William Drake)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:35:45 +0100
From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel.
Conference
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On 14 Jan 2008, at 03:19, Wolf Ludwig wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> first of all, I wish you all the best for the New Year! And the
> change of year is always a good opportunity to strike a balance on
> the precedent one: After an almost fulminate start and debate around
> the creation of EURALO our RALO and its list fall in agony at the
> second part of last year. There were some signs and expressions of
> frustration and it seems to be difficult to define and find a way
> out of this prevailing silence.
>
> Thanks to S?bastien who took the initiative a week ago we have to
> make another effort now ? to restart with a telephone conference at
> least. After a phone call I had with S?bastien, we both believe
> there is a unique chance for EURALO ahead that we cannot miss.
> Thanks to S?bastien and some RALO-friends from North America, there
> was this great idea and project of a User?s Summit to be organised
> and held along the ICANN meeting this summer in Paris ? as one of
> the outcomes of the LA meeting in autumn 07.
>
> This project offers a real and unique chance for us to re-animate
> and revitalize our cause, commitments and legitimacy. Some of us
> (S?bastien, Wolfgang, Annette and I etc.) are supposed to
> participate at ICANN?s next meeting in February in New Delhi having
> a chance to discuss and elaborate some more planning and
> organisational details there. What we do need is not much: Three to
> five people from EURALO (or even more), besides S?bastien, Annette
> and me, to take the initiative and to establish an EURALO
> organisational committee (OC) for the User?s Summit.
>
> Almost immediately after ICANN?s New Delhi meeting there is another
> IGF-preparatory consultation meeting foreseen in Geneva (26 ? 28
> Feb. 08) offering an opportunity for some more of us (Jeanette,
> Bill, Karen) to meet in Geneva ? as a combined board and OC meeting.
> Such a prep. meeting in Geneva, let?s say on Monday 25 February,
> will be easy to organize there ? and I will try to find some
> sponsoring money for it if needed. The main goal and outcome of it
> would be a concise draft of project for the User?s Summit in summer.
> After such a prep. meeting we would have about four months to get
> the work done on a common EURALO project. And thereby we could
> hopefully revitalize and strengthen EURALO?s capacities (--
> otherwise I cannot imagine any other way out for EURALO?s future).
>
> Please let us know your ideas about this appeal and who is
> interested to work with S?bastien, Annette and me on this project.
>
> According to S?bastien?s Doodle-Survey the best date and time for
> our Phone Conference is
> Thursday 17 January 2008 at 16h00 UTC (= 17h Paris time).
> I would kindly like to ask Nick to care about the necessary
> arrangements for this Tel-Conf. next Thursday (Thanks!)
>
> Best regards,
> Wolf
>
>
>
>
>
> comunica-ch
> phone +41 79 204 83 87
> www.comunica-ch.net
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:41:51 +0100
From: S?bastien Bachollet <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr>
Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel.
Conference
To: "'Discussion for At-Large Europe'"
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Thanks Nick

S?bastien Bachollet
Pr?sident
sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr
www.egeni.org
www.isoc.fr

-----Message d'origine-----
De?: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Nick
Ashton-Hart
Envoy??: lundi 14 janvier 2008 19:36
??: Discussion for At-Large Europe
Objet?: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference

I can confirm that I have requested the teleconference and full
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https://st.icann.org/euralo/index.cgi?17_january_2008

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On 14 Jan 2008, at 03:19, Wolf Ludwig wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> first of all, I wish you all the best for the New Year! And the
> change of year is always a good opportunity to strike a balance on
> the precedent one: After an almost fulminate start and debate around
> the creation of EURALO our RALO and its list fall in agony at the
> second part of last year. There were some signs and expressions of
> frustration and it seems to be difficult to define and find a way
> out of this prevailing silence.
>
> Thanks to S?bastien who took the initiative a week ago we have to
> make another effort now ? to restart with a telephone conference at
> least. After a phone call I had with S?bastien, we both believe
> there is a unique chance for EURALO ahead that we cannot miss.
> Thanks to S?bastien and some RALO-friends from North America, there
> was this great idea and project of a User?s Summit to be organised
> and held along the ICANN meeting this summer in Paris ? as one of
> the outcomes of the LA meeting in autumn 07.
>
> This project offers a real and unique chance for us to re-animate
> and revitalize our cause, commitments and legitimacy. Some of us
> (S?bastien, Wolfgang, Annette and I etc.) are supposed to
> participate at ICANN?s next meeting in February in New Delhi having
> a chance to discuss and elaborate some more planning and
> organisational details there. What we do need is not much: Three to
> five people from EURALO (or even more), besides S?bastien, Annette
> and me, to take the initiative and to establish an EURALO
> organisational committee (OC) for the User?s Summit.
>
> Almost immediately after ICANN?s New Delhi meeting there is another
> IGF-preparatory consultation meeting foreseen in Geneva (26 ? 28
> Feb. 08) offering an opportunity for some more of us (Jeanette,
> Bill, Karen) to meet in Geneva ? as a combined board and OC meeting.
> Such a prep. meeting in Geneva, let?s say on Monday 25 February,
> will be easy to organize there ? and I will try to find some
> sponsoring money for it if needed. The main goal and outcome of it
> would be a concise draft of project for the User?s Summit in summer.
> After such a prep. meeting we would have about four months to get
> the work done on a common EURALO project. And thereby we could
> hopefully revitalize and strengthen EURALO?s capacities (--
> otherwise I cannot imagine any other way out for EURALO?s future).
>
> Please let us know your ideas about this appeal and who is
> interested to work with S?bastien, Annette and me on this project.
>
> According to S?bastien?s Doodle-Survey the best date and time for
> our Phone Conference is
> Thursday 17 January 2008 at 16h00 UTC (= 17h Paris time).
> I would kindly like to ask Nick to care about the necessary
> arrangements for this Tel-Conf. next Thursday (Thanks!)
>
> Best regards,
> Wolf
>
>
>
>
>
> comunica-ch
> phone +41 79 204 83 87
> www.comunica-ch.net
>
> http://blog.allmend.ch -
> Digitale Allmend
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:38:13 +0100
From: Kleinw?chter, Wolfgang
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel.
Conference
To: Discussion for At-Large Europe
<euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Discussion for At-Large Europe
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Dear all

also from my side welcome back to the business.

I fully support Robertos and Wolfs approach and also the two additional points raised by Anette. We should also now draft a work plan 2008 which should include
a. events (also national and sub-regional meerings like related workshops, conferences, meetings etc.)
b. thematic papers on ICANN issues (both themes mentioned by ICANN could be the subject of such an "EURALO Thematic Paper Series"

Furthermore, the ICANN Studienkreis will have its 9th meeting in Helsinki, September 4 - 5, 2009. Like in Warsaw (and Prague) we start on Thursday afternoon. So Thursday, September 4, 2008 morning could be used for another EURALO outreach meeting, this time in the Nother part of Europe, the Baltics and Russia.

Best regards

wolfgang

________________________________

Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Annette Muehlberg
Gesendet: Di 15.01.2008 17:31
An: Discussion for At-Large Europe
Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference

dear wolf, dear all,

i would like to add two issues:
1. new geo/city tlds: how to make it a win-win situation for governments and
users
2. how to deal with the "morality"-issue presented in the last gnso-workshop
at the last icann meeting.

i am ready for the tel conf this thursday 16:00 utc.
but i doubt that i will make it to geneva in february, but we will see.

warm greetings
annette

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wzb.eu>
To: "Discussion for At-Large Europe" <euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference

Hi everyone,

I am very much in favor of this. One of the issues I would like to see
ALAC discuss is registrant representation in DNS regulation. Should
domain name registrants perhaps have some beneficiary rights when it
comes to registry and registrar contracts or policies?

jeanette

Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> Happy New Year.
>
> I have a proposal, that might sound funny to some folks: why don't we plan
> to do in 2008 some work on policy? After all, that's why ALAC and the
> RALOs
> have been created, to provide input to ICANN on policy decisions.
>
> There are plenty of subjects on the table: the modification of the current
> regime for the Add Grace Period, issues related to domain name tasting,
> the
> comments to USG about the JPA, feedback on the Accountabiity and
> Transparency document, comments solicited by the GNSO about the WhoIs,
> modification of the geographic regions, and more.
>
> The ALAC Review is starting. It would be very embarassing if the reviewers
> find out that all what has been done is some basic administration,
> organization of meetings, participation to IGF, etc., but no substantive
> contribution to the policy making process. One might wonder whether the
> money that ICANN is putting into this process is not wasted?!?
>
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On
>> Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig
>> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2008 03:19
>> To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe'
>> Subject: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel. Conference
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> first of all, I wish you all the best for the New Year! And
>> the change of year is always a good opportunity to strike a
>> balance on the precedent one: After an almost fulminate start
>> and debate around the creation of EURALO our RALO and its
>> list fall in agony at the second part of last year. There
>> were some signs and expressions of frustration and it seems
>> to be difficult to define and find a way out of this
>> prevailing silence.
>>
>> Thanks to S?bastien who took the initiative a week ago we
>> have to make another effort now - to restart with a telephone
>> conference at least. After a phone call I had with S?bastien,
>> we both believe there is a unique chance for EURALO ahead
>> that we cannot miss. Thanks to S?bastien and some
>> RALO-friends from North America, there was this great idea
>> and project of a User's Summit to be organised and held along
>> the ICANN meeting this summer in Paris - as one of the
>> outcomes of the LA meeting in autumn 07.
>>
>> This project offers a real and unique chance for us to
>> re-animate and revitalize our cause, commitments and
>> legitimacy. Some of us (S?bastien, Wolfgang, Annette and I
>> etc.) are supposed to participate at ICANN's next meeting in
>> February in New Delhi having a chance to discuss and
>> elaborate some more planning and organisational details
>> there. What we do need is not much: Three to five people from
>> EURALO (or even more), besides S?bastien, Annette and me, to
>> take the initiative and to establish an EURALO organisational
>> committee (OC) for the User's Summit.
>>
>> Almost immediately after ICANN's New Delhi meeting there is
>> another IGF-preparatory consultation meeting foreseen in
>> Geneva (26 - 28 Feb. 08) offering an opportunity for some
>> more of us (Jeanette, Bill, Karen) to meet in Geneva - as a
>> combined board and OC meeting. Such a prep. meeting in
>> Geneva, let's say on Monday 25 February, will be easy to
>> organize there - and I will try to find some sponsoring money
>> for it if needed. The main goal and outcome of it would be a
>> concise draft of project for the User's Summit in summer.
>> After such a prep. meeting we would have about four months to
>> get the work done on a common EURALO project. And thereby we
>> could hopefully revitalize and strengthen EURALO's capacities
>> (-- otherwise I cannot imagine any other way out for EURALO's
>> future).
>>
>> Please let us know your ideas about this appeal and who is
>> interested to work with S?bastien, Annette and me on this project.
>>
>> According to S?bastien's Doodle-Survey the best date and time
>> for our Phone Conference is Thursday 17 January 2008 at 16h00
>> UTC (= 17h Paris time).
>> I would kindly like to ask Nick to care about the necessary
>> arrangements for this Tel-Conf. next Thursday (Thanks!)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Wolf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> comunica-ch
>> phone +41 79 204 83 87
>> www.comunica-ch.net
>>
>> http://blog.allmend.ch <http://blog.allmend.ch/> -
>> Digitale Allmend
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:42:53 +0100
From: William Drake <drake@hei.unige.ch>
Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Project appeal + Date/Time for Tel.
Conference
To: Discussion for At-Large Europe
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Hi Wolf,

Thanks for this useful reboot, I look forward to discussing these ideas and
the others regarding policy work on the conference call. One organizational
point in the meanwhile: You raise the idea of a board/summit OC meeting in
Geneva on Monday 25 Feb. before the IGF. I was toying with the idea of
doing a different sort of IG-related workshop at the Graduate Institute on
that day, but could put that idea aside for now if there is sufficient
critical mass to do a board/OC meeting instead. Barring an unusual
circumstance in which all the conference rooms are busy that day, I should
be able to host such a meeting with the requisite libations etc. But before
I look into the logistics and budget it would be helpful to know whether
enough of us would be interested and able to attend. If people could let me
know whether they'd be available that'd be helpful.

Thanks,

Bill

On 1/14/08 3:19 AM, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:

> Dear all,

first of all, I wish you all the best for the New Year! And the
> change of year is always a good opportunity to strike a balance on the
> precedent one: After an almost fulminate start and debate around the creation
> of EURALO our RALO and its list fall in agony at the second part of last year.
> There were some signs and expressions of frustration and it seems to be
> difficult to define and find a way out of this prevailing silence.

Thanks to
> S?bastien who took the initiative a week ago we have to make another effort
> now ? to restart with a telephone conference at least. After a phone call I
> had with S?bastien, we both believe there is a unique chance for EURALO ahead
> that we cannot miss. Thanks to S?bastien and some RALO-friends from North
> America, there was this great idea and project of a User?s Summit to be
> organised and held along the ICANN meeting this summer in Paris ? as one of
> the outcomes of the LA meeting in autumn 07.

This project offers a real and
> unique chance for us to re-animate and revitalize our cause, commitments and
> legitimacy. Some of us (S?bastien, Wolfgang, Annette and I etc.) are supposed
> to participate at ICANN?s next meeting in February in New Delhi having a
> chance to discuss and elaborate some more planning and organisational details
> there. What we do need is not much: Three to five people from EURALO (or even
> more), besides S?bastien, Annette and me, to take the initiative and to
> establish an EURALO organisational committee (OC) for the User?s
> Summit.

Almost immediately after ICANN?s New Delhi meeting there is another
> IGF-preparatory consultation meeting foreseen in Geneva (26 ? 28 Feb. 08)
> offering an opportunity for some more of us (Jeanette, Bill, Karen) to meet in
> Geneva ? as a combined board and OC meeting. Such a prep. meeting in Geneva,
> let?s say on Monday 25 February, will be easy to organize there ? and I will
> try to find some sponsoring money for it if needed. The main goal and outcome
> of it would be a concise draft of project for the User?s Summit in summer.
> After such a prep. meeting we would have about four months to get the work
> done on a common EURALO project. And thereby we could hopefully revitalize and
> strengthen EURALO?s capacities (-- otherwise I cannot imagine any other way
> out for EURALO?s future).

Please let us know your ideas about this appeal
> and who is interested to work with S?bastien, Annette and me on this
> project.

According to S?bastien?s Doodle-Survey the best date and time for
> our Phone Conference is
Thursday 17 January 2008 at 16h00 UTC (= 17h Paris
> time).
I would kindly like to ask Nick to care about the necessary
> arrangements for this Tel-Conf. next Thursday (Thanks!)

Best
> regards,
Wolf

comunica-ch
phone +41 79 204 83
> 87
www.comunica-ch.net

http://blog.allmend.ch -
Digitale
> Allmend

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