WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all, as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19. As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters). Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and kind regards, Wolf staff@atlarge.icann.org sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31:
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article 19. Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yeşim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig Swiss IGF http://swiss-igf.ch EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig
Dear all, I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application. I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal. I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member. Warm regards Tatiana Tropina On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yeşim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
Swiss IGF http://swiss-igf.ch
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
The main problem remains the lack of „roots“ of the organisation. They have no members, no “democratic outreach”. We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of “members” for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc. Having studies accountability for a while – a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff. Best, Erich Schweighofer Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 An: Wolf Ludwig Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19 Dear all, I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application. I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal. I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member. Warm regards Tatiana Tropina On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net<mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>> wrote: Dear all, as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19. As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters). Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and kind regards, Wolf staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31:
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article 19. Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yeşim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> Website: atlarge.icann.org<http://atlarge.icann.org> <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann<http://facebook.com/icann> <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87<tel:%2B41%2079%20204%2083%2087> Skype: Wolf-Ludwig Swiss IGF http://swiss-igf.ch EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
Dear Erich, I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules. Warm regards Tanya On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of „roots“ of the organisation. They have no members, no “democratic outreach”. We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of “members” for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while – a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yeşim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
Swiss IGF http://swiss-igf.ch
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
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I support here Tanya, if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN. wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23 An: Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19 Dear Erich, I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules. Warm regards Tanya On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members" for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yesim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
Swiss IGF http://swiss-igf.ch
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
Hi all, Article 19 is not a bottom-up organization (board of trustees completed by co-option, few opportunities for grassroots participation apart from subscribing to a newsletter and making a donation) but I would still warmly support its membership in EURALO. It would greatly add to our substance resources when it comes to FoE aspects of our role defending the interests of the end users. The list of our ALS's already presents a great diversity of organizations; one size does not fit all. I would argue that diversity is a richness and an asset. According to their website, Article 19 Board of Trustees is composed of people seriously engaged in working for FoE in various countries of the world. As an NGO under British law, it is regulated by the UK Charity Commission and Companies House. Best, Yrjö ________________________________ From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:33 PM To: Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19 I support here Tanya, if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN. wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23 An: Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19 Dear Erich, I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules. Warm regards Tanya On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members" for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yesim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
Swiss IGF http://swiss-igf.ch
EURALO - ICANN's Regional At-Large Organisation http://euralo.org
Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
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Hi all, (Fyi I was not able to attend the end-part of the EURALO call where Article 19’s application was discussed.) I am new to this and do not know how strict we want to be (have been in the past?) with regard to the criteria mentioned at https://atlarge.icann.org/get-involved/about-als . Especially #2 in this case. But I too agree with Tatiana here. More importantly I am convinced that having Article 19 on board would be of added value for At Large and EURALO: from my experience Article 19 certainly cannot be blamed for not engaging, to put it mildly, and they are very active and vocal when it comes to the protection of end-users’ interests. It’s all about people, the rights of individuals. So I support Article 19 becoming an ALS and a EURALO member. Btw I assume that in an ICANN/EURALO context we will be dealing with Article 19’s ‘Digital’ program. Many of you will know Niels ten Oever, who filed Article 19’s ALS application: he currently is a.o. co-rapporteur for the CCWG WS2 Human Rights subgroup. To be transparant, he is a colleague of mine on the board of Dutch Internet Society chapter, an existing EURALO ALS. regards Bastiaan
On 27 Aug 2016, at 12:09, Yrjö Länsipuro <yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Article 19 is not a bottom-up organization (board of trustees completed by co-option, few opportunities for grassroots participation apart from subscribing to a newsletter and making a donation) but I would still warmly support its membership in EURALO. It would greatly add to our substance resources when it comes to FoE aspects of our role defending the interests of the end users.
The list of our ALS's already presents a great diversity of organizations; one size does not fit all. I would argue that diversity is a richness and an asset.
According to their website, Article 19 Board of Trustees is composed of people seriously engaged in working for FoE in various countries of the world. As an NGO under British law, it is regulated by the UK Charity Commission and Companies House.
Best,
Yrjö
From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:33 PM To: Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
I support here Tanya,
if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN.
wolfgang
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23 An: Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear Erich,
I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules.
Warm regards Tanya
On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members" for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yesim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear all, To be clear: I am very much in favour of the application of Article 19 - from my engagement in human rights I know it is a well-established NGO - but we may ask for some accountability mechanism, e.g. establishing an open community of internet users interested in the work of Article 19 that gives substantive advice and guidance after proper information and consultation by the organization. It should not be very formal - like the condition of membership - but effective. It is also evident that every organization - membership-based or not - has the master the challenge of community engagement these times. We should make it a condition, working on standards, checking on a regular basis the quality, but shall not insist on formalities. Accountability, in particular of NGOs, is still in development to better standards. Best, Erich Von: Yrjö Länsipuro [mailto:yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 27. August 2016 12:09 An: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19Hi Hi all, Article 19 is not a bottom-up organization (board of trustees completed by co-option, few opportunities for grassroots participation apart from subscribing to a newsletter and making a donation) but I would still warmly support its membership in EURALO. It would greatly add to our substance resources when it comes to FoE aspects of our role defending the interests of the end users. The list of our ALS's already presents a great diversity of organizations; one size does not fit all. I would argue that diversity is a richness and an asset. According to their website, Article 19 Board of Trustees is composed of people seriously engaged in working for FoE in various countries of the world. As an NGO under British law, it is regulated by the UK Charity Commission and Companies House. Best, Yrjö ________________________________ From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de<mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:33 PM To: Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19 I support here Tanya, if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN. wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23 An: Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19 Dear Erich, I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules. Warm regards Tanya On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at<mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at>> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members" for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net<mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yesim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear Erich and all, thanks to Tatiana, Yrjö, Wolfgang, Bastiaan and all who have commented on this applicant -- and I sense some (even silent) majority support so far. Please allow me a comment or hesitation on your suggestion below, Erich. I agree with your principal considerations below but we should be careful to impose some new and stricter rules on this applicant than we did before -- or more rigid standards that wouldn't apply to all of our current members. In the broader context of course I support respective explorations by the on-going At-Large Review and ALS-engagements groups to improve our "conditions, standards or quality-checks on a regular basis", as you suggested. Just my 2 cents with kind regards, Wolf Schweighofer Erich wrote Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:30:
Dear all,
To be clear: I am very much in favour of the application of Article 19 - from my engagement in human rights I know it is a well-established NGO - but we may ask for some accountability mechanism, e.g. establishing an open community of internet users interested in the work of Article 19 that gives substantive advice and guidance after proper information and consultation by the organization. It should not be very formal - like the condition of membership - but effective. It is also evident that every organization - membership-based or not - has the master the challenge of community engagement these times. We should make it a condition, working on standards, checking on a regular basis the quality, but shall not insist on formalities. Accountability, in particular of NGOs, is still in development to better standards.
Best, Erich
Von: Yrjö Länsipuro [mailto:yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 27. August 2016 12:09 An: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19Hi
Hi all,
Article 19 is not a bottom-up organization (board of trustees completed by co-option, few opportunities for grassroots participation apart from subscribing to a newsletter and making a donation) but I would still warmly support its membership in EURALO. It would greatly add to our substance resources when it comes to FoE aspects of our role defending the interests of the end users.
The list of our ALS's already presents a great diversity of organizations; one size does not fit all. I would argue that diversity is a richness and an asset.
According to their website, Article 19 Board of Trustees is composed of people seriously engaged in working for FoE in various countries of the world. As an NGO under British law, it is regulated by the UK Charity Commission and Companies House.
Best,
Yrjö
________________________________ From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de<mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:33 PM To: Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
I support here Tanya,
if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN.
wolfgang
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23 An: Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear Erich,
I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules.
Warm regards Tanya
On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at<mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at>> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members" for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net<mailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine, Terri Agnew and Yesim Nazlar ICANN Policy Staff in support of the At-Large Community E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Website: atlarge.icann.org <https://atlarge.icann.org/> Facebook: facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear all, again, agree with Wolf - one can't establish new standards right now and has to assess Article 19 application in accordance with existing rules applicable at the moment. May I also point out that EURALO's Articles of Association, Part D, Section 4 states that " 4.3 The Board shall determine the criteria for membership, subject to review of the same by the General Assembly, and the mechanism by which applications for Membership are approved, which may also be reviewed by the General Assembly." Thus, there are some formal procedure that have to be carried out to change the existing membership criteria. Furthermore, I am a bit puzzled with Erich's suggestion: *"it is also evident that every organization – membership-based or not – has the master the challenge of community engagement these times. We should make it a condition, working on standards, checking on a regular basis the quality, but shall not insist on formalities". *(cited from Erich's email) I assume that for the purpose of EURALO's membership the duties and rights of members are regulated by the Articles of Association as well. I am struggling to find anything in the AoI that would justify the regular checks on members with regard to the quality of their standards of community engagement. What would be the criteria? Will it really be in the capacity of EURALO not only to establish them for the members (existing? future?) but also have the power to carry put the regular checks?? What do checks mean anyway and what are the fair processes of carrying them, really? In the context of the recent (broader) discussion about ICANN's narrow and limited mission, I am not sure EURALO (or ALAC) would like to turn into "policing" the standards of the organisations that are their members to that wide extent. And if out of sudden they are, I am curious as to under which frameworks exactly and in which capacity. Or, for that matter, I am not sure how this fits into the aim and purposes stated in the AoI. Warm regards Tatiana On 29 August 2016 at 17:11, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Erich and all,
thanks to Tatiana, Yrjö, Wolfgang, Bastiaan and all who have commented on this applicant -- and I sense some (even silent) majority support so far.
Please allow me a comment or hesitation on your suggestion below, Erich. I agree with your principal considerations below but we should be careful to impose some new and stricter rules on this applicant than we did before -- or more rigid standards that wouldn't apply to all of our current members.
In the broader context of course I support respective explorations by the on-going At-Large Review and ALS-engagements groups to improve our "conditions, standards or quality-checks on a regular basis", as you suggested.
Just my 2 cents with kind regards, Wolf
Schweighofer Erich wrote Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:30:
Dear all,
To be clear: I am very much in favour of the application of Article 19 - from my engagement in human rights I know it is a well-established NGO - but we may ask for some accountability mechanism, e.g. establishing an open community of internet users interested in the work of Article 19 that gives substantive advice and guidance after proper information and consultation by the organization. It should not be very formal - like the condition of membership - but effective. It is also evident that every organization - membership-based or not - has the master the challenge of community engagement these times. We should make it a condition, working on standards, checking on a regular basis the quality, but shall not insist on formalities. Accountability, in particular of NGOs, is still in development to better standards.
Best, Erich
Von: Yrjö Länsipuro [mailto:yrjo_lansipuro@hotmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 27. August 2016 12:09 An: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"; Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19Hi
Hi all,
Article 19 is not a bottom-up organization (board of trustees completed by co-option, few opportunities for grassroots participation apart from subscribing to a newsletter and making a donation) but I would still warmly support its membership in EURALO. It would greatly add to our substance resources when it comes to FoE aspects of our role defending the interests of the end users.
The list of our ALS's already presents a great diversity of organizations; one size does not fit all. I would argue that diversity is a richness and an asset.
According to their website, Article 19 Board of Trustees is composed of people seriously engaged in working for FoE in various countries of the world. As an NGO under British law, it is regulated by the UK Charity Commission and Companies House.
Best,
Yrjö
________________________________ From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-dis cuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge- lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medien komm.uni-halle.de<mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:33 PM To: Tatiana Tropina; Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
I support here Tanya,
if we get more substantial engagement from Article 19, this will be good for ALAC and CS in ICANN.
wolfgang
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-dis cuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> im Auftrag von Tatiana Tropina Gesendet: Sa 27.08.2016 10:23 An: Schweighofer Erich Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear Erich,
I believe that some of the existing ALS - both in Europe and at other At-Large - won't meet the criteria listed by you, which is normal. The diversity of players in the protection of individual users rights varies from societies with membership to academic centres (and the "democratic outreach of them if, frankly speaking, not compatible). I think if we are talking about criteria, we have to be fair. If there is something to be established in the future - let it be so, but for now not all of the membership can exactly fit into what you described. So while you raise a very important issues for the future, I think for now Article 19 might be rather treated fairly and accordingly under the existing rules.
Warm regards Tanya
On 27 August 2016 at 09:55, Schweighofer Erich < erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at<mailto:erich.schweighofer@univie.ac.at>> wrote:
The main problem remains the lack of "roots" of the organisation. They have no members, no "democratic outreach". We should not be too formal but we may request structures having a similar effect (e.g. lists of "members" for this goal, regular meetings, votes on officers and policies of Article 19 ICANN involvement etc.
Having studies accountability for a while - a main element are established procedures of involvement of the interested public, information and consultation are not sufficient. It is also important that elected officers make policies, not the staff.
Best, Erich Schweighofer
*Von:* euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-dis cuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:euro-dis cuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] *Im Auftrag von *Tatiana Tropina *Gesendet:* Samstag, 27. August 2016 09:44 *An:* Wolf Ludwig *Cc:* Discussion for At-Large Europe *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] WG: Seeking Regional Advice for a New ALS / Article 19
Dear all,
I just joined EURALO a couple of days ago, so I couldn't attend the monthly call, where the Article 19's application to join ALS was discussed. So I would like to use this opportunity to communicate on the mailing list and express my support to this application.
I collaborated with Article 19 on several occasions in the IG space in general and at ICANN in particular. I am sure that their work and their values perfectly suit the aims of EURALO, namely, to ensure that end users benefit from the daily use of the Internet and enjoy security, privacy and consumer protection. As to the structure of this organisation - yes, they do have offices in some other countries, but their "home" is in Europe, because they are incorporated in the United Kingdom. Their main office is located in London, and that's where all the coordination and operations are carried out from. Europe is where they belong, and I am happy that our region has such an organisation that successfully advocates for digital rights not only on the regional level, but much wider. We all know that Internet has no borders: the rights the European organisaiton - Article 19 - is advocating for are universal.
I hope this application gets approved and we will welcome Article 19 as the new EURALO member.
Warm regards
Tatiana Tropina
On 26 Aug 2016 14:42, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net<m ailto:wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net>> wrote:
Dear all,
as discussed at our last monthly call, some of you wanted to see and verify the DD form of our recent applicant Article 19.
As already said or noted at our call by some of us, Article 19 is not a "typical" At-Large structure or association and not only based in one particular country in our region but a cross-regional network (comparable to our EURALO Ind. Assoc. or ISOC chapters).
Those who know the background of Article 19 already have expressed some support that this applicant would fit into the diversity of our RALO. The discussion is open -- over to you. Thanks for your consideration and
kind regards, Wolf
Dear Wolf,
On the 04 August 2016 we received a EURALO ALS application from Article
staff@atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> sent Tue, 9 Aug 2016 16:31: 19.
Please find the Due Diligence form and statue attached.
We kindly ask you to provide us with the regional advice for this ALS in your capacity as EURALO Secretary. Your advice will support the ALAC review on this application.
According to our timeline for ALS applications the due date for the regional advice is on 22 September 2016.
We would like to remind you that the DD form could contain sensitive information. Please avoid sharing the form with third parties.
Kind regards,
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participants (6)
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"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" -
Bastiaan Goslings -
Schweighofer Erich -
Tatiana Tropina -
Wolf Ludwig -
Yrjö Länsipuro