Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention. Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts? On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me. BD On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee. Cheers, Roberto
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A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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Thanks Jackie there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement. best w ________________________________ Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
wolfgang
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Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be able to make it Sunday. Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Thanks Jackie there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement. best w ________________________________ Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
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Tuesday would be fine, but please let me know as soon as possible that I can inform the panelists. Best w ________________________________ Från: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Skickat: lö 2007-05-26 00:15 Till: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: RE: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be able to make it Sunday. Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Thanks Jackie there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement. best w ________________________________ Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
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I expect that there would be an informal EURALO meeting in San Juan? Saturday? Best regards, Desiree -- Kleinwächter wrote:
Tuesday would be fine, but please let me know as soon as possible that I can inform the panelists.
Best
w
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Från: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Skickat: lö 2007-05-26 00:15 Till: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: RE: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be able to make it Sunday. Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Thanks Jackie
there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement.
best
w
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Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
________________________________
Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea. I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome. Best
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Hi Desiree Most people won't be in until late Sat, I think. You could have it Sunday in parallel with the NARALO and LACRALO meetings... how many from EURALO will be there? Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Miloshevic [mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:10 AM To: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up I expect that there would be an informal EURALO meeting in San Juan? Saturday? Best regards, Desiree -- Kleinwächter wrote:
Tuesday would be fine, but please let me know as soon as possible that I can inform the panelists.
Best
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Från: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Skickat: lö 2007-05-26 00:15 Till: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: RE: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be able to make it Sunday. Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Thanks Jackie
there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement.
best
w
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Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea. I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome. Best
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I think it is a good proposal. Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Jacqueline A. Morris Envoyé : lundi 28 mai 2007 15:34 À : 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up Hi Desiree Most people won't be in until late Sat, I think. You could have it Sunday in parallel with the NARALO and LACRALO meetings... how many from EURALO will be there? Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Miloshevic [mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:10 AM To: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up I expect that there would be an informal EURALO meeting in San Juan? Saturday? Best regards, Desiree -- Kleinwächter wrote:
Tuesday would be fine, but please let me know as soon as possible that I can inform the panelists.
Best
w
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Från: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Skickat: lö 2007-05-26 00:15 Till: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: RE: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be able to make it Sunday. Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Thanks Jackie
there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement.
best
w
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Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea. I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome. Best
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I will be there but probably busy with the Board. Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: 28 May 2007 15:34 To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Hi Desiree Most people won't be in until late Sat, I think. You could have it Sunday in parallel with the NARALO and LACRALO meetings... how many from EURALO will be there? Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Desiree Miloshevic [mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:10 AM To: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
I expect that there would be an informal EURALO meeting in San Juan?
Saturday?
Best regards,
Desiree --
Kleinwächter wrote:
Tuesday would be fine, but please let me know as soon as possible that I can inform the panelists.
Best
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Från: Jacqueline A. Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] Skickat: lö 2007-05-26 00:15 Till: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: RE: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sunday is the same day as the LACRALO and NARALO meetings, so they won't be able to make it Sunday. Check with Nick - the last day he suggested to me was Tuesday afternoon... not sure how the schedule is running now - I haven't seen a full draft yet. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang [mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:29 PM To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: SV: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Thanks Jackie
there is no need to have the two workshops on the same day. I proposed Sunday for the gTLD workshop, Robin Wednesday for the FOE workshop. Robin wanted to consult this pro9posal with Milton an d others in the NCUC. Lets hear what their position is than lates make an joint announcement.
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Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Jacqueline A. Morris Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 14:55 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Hello everyone I thought that it would make sense to have a joint NCUC/ALAC session with each session having its own timeslot - we had originally planned to have an ALAC afternoon with 2 sessions - one the gTLD workshop and one the "hot issues" workshop. I am OK with having the gTLD workshop moved to a joint ALAC/NCUC morning or afternoon with the Freedom of expression session - I didn't think that the two parts needed to be linked topically - or are we talking about conflating the two into one? They are linked in that they are issues that are important to end-users. The event (the morning or afternoon) could be jointly marketed. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Roberto Gaetano [mailto:roberto@icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:31 AM To: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea. I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
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Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan. 2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome. Best
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Right. The main reason fior the umbreella is to strengthen contacts between NCUC and ALAC. The substantial differences are clear but on a higher level zone could argue that both issues are dealing with concerns of individual internet users. w ________________________________ Från: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org genom Roberto Gaetano Skickat: fr 2007-05-25 09:31 Till: 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Ämne: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up It would be good to have an outline of both, because the links between gegraphical domain names and freedom of speech are not obvious to me. This does not mean that we cannot call both workshops under one umbrella, to foster also better communication between ALAC and NCUC, but just that we should be careful in forcing links that are not clear in the mind of the average attendee. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of William Drake Sent: 25 May 2007 07:28 To: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org, Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
A priori, jointly convening both and exploring each issue set more thoroughly with links drawn between the two sounds right to me.
BD
On 5/24/07 5:01 PM, "Nick Ashton-Hart" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> wrote:
I think it is up to the community. From what I know of these two events, it would seem to me that these are two important and very different aspects to consider and it is worthwhile to consider them separately because each set of issues will then get more time, and therefore be explored more thoroughly, than if they shared a single timeslot. Of course, nothing would stop the two constituencies jointly convening one or the other of these events, which would provide the 'one voice' benefits you mention.
Jacqueline, do you have any thoughts?
On 24/05/07, "Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org <"Kleinwächter"@smtp01.icann.org> wrote:
Dear list
Robin Gross from IP Justice, who is also with the Non-Commercial User Constituency of the GNSO told me here in geneva during the IGF consultations that she is preparing a similar workshop on Freedom of Expression in San Juan (probably on Wednesday, June, 27, 2007.
What do you think, should we consider to do the two workshops under one unbrella as a joint activitiy of ALAC and NCUC? The two workshops are totally independent but complement each other. Each unit would be responsible for its own workshop but coulkd benefit from the joint advertisement. Thisn could lead to a win-win-situation. And we would give the ICANN constituency as a whole a clear signal, that th voice of the users/consumers/at large members gets louder.
Any comments?
Wolfgang
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Von: Annette Muehlberg [mailto:annette.muehlberg@web.de] Gesendet: Do 24.05.2007 15:37 An: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; Discussion for At-Large Europe Cc: Kleinwächter, Wolfgang Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sébastien, Wolfgang,
I would like to join you in working on the GEO-TLD meeting, as we are working on .berlin what is the current plan?
best annette
Sébastien Bachollet schrieb:
Sorry Wolfgang to take this old message but it contains 2 important points. About the so-call GEO-TLDs I would like to help you in setting up the meeting especially because we started some work on .paris.
I am not sure I will be available during the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) but I think is a good idea.
I start to work on Egeni Europe 2008 for June (just before the Icann meeting in Europe) and I think we need to do also something about Euralo.
All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Wolfgang Kleinwächter Envoyé : samedi 31 mars 2007 13:45 À : Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe; Nick Ashton-Hart Cc : Europe Discuss; Asia-Pacific Discuss Objet : Re: [EURO-Discuss] Lisbon Follow Up
Sorry I forgot the proposals:
1. the prepare a workshop for San Juan on Consumer Interests on geographical TLDs: The working title could be "Consumer Confusion vs. Consumer Choice: The User Interests in GEO-TLDs". As we discussed in Lisbon, there is a growing number of related projects (.berlin, .nyc, .cym, .sco, .london etc) and there are two main arguments in favour and against. In Germany the local government which operates berlin.de argues that .berlin would create consumer confusion while the federal parliament just recently adopted a resolution arguing GEO-TLDs like .munich, .cologne, .saxony, .bavaria or .leipzig would bring more competition and more consumer choice. I expect that the ICANN Board if it has to take decisions on such TLDs (based on the GNSO Policy paper and the GAC gTLD principles) will need some input form the user perspective and this is the ALAC. I would be ready to start the preparation for such a two hour workshopin San Juan.
2. I propose to use the forthcoming 8th meeting of the ICANN Studienkreis (October 11-12, 2007 in Warsaw) for an EURALO outreach meeting (Thursday, October 11, 9.00 - 15.00) for Central and Eastern Europe. I ask all ALS and other friends of EURALO to send me contcats so that we can do outrech and invite speakers. I will work together also with the Diplo Foundation. Input from ISOC Europe is welcome.
Best
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Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
Right. The main reason fior the umbreella is to strengthen contacts between NCUC and ALAC. The substantial differences are clear but on a higher level zone could argue that both issues are dealing with concerns of individual internet users.
Well, I hope most, if not all, ALAC activities should deal with "concerns of individual internet users" ;>) On a more serious tone, on the subject of NCUC/ALAC collaboration, I would drive your attention on the fact that there is going to be an open forum on the GNSO review, and since some of the items on the table deal ultimately with improving representativity and balance, it would be wise and useful for ALAC to attend. As of today I don't have exact date/time, but it is going to happen. Cheers, Roberto
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Roberto Gaetano -
Sébastien Bachollet -
William Drake