After facing some problems with the EURALO-list, Jeanette and I would like to forward you the following announcement: Hi all, thanks to Jeanette for taking the initiative. I fully agree with the summary of our late discussions. Being aware about Jeanette's time constraints I personally would prefer the option of a co-chair. I am pleased to confirm the announcement of our candidature. Best regards, Wolf Jeanette Hofmann wrote Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:17: Hi everyone, it seems the election of the ALAC members and of the EURALO board was so traumatic that a rather lively list fell dead silent after we got the results. There is something destructiv or at least polarizing about majority votes, they don't do justice to minorities. How to deal with this situation? First of all, the board needs to become operational, and it needs a chair. If we are lucky, the tasks of the coming months will help us to overcome or at least alleviate some of the cleavages we have seen on this list. Wolf Ludwig and I have talked about the election of the chair and we have decided to run as a duo either with him as chair and me as vice-chair or the two of us as co-chairs. We both have very positive experience with co-chairing. We are not aware that the bylaws would prohibit such a solution. I want to be frank though as I am afraid of over-committing myself. As some of you know, I am going to move to London in early autumn and start a new job. Thus I cannot commit a lot of time to this task in the coming months and I would see myself rather in the role of assisting Wolf and the board with whatever objectives they plan to accomplish. If this seems acceptable Wolf and I would like to announce our candidature. Best, Jeanette comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
Dear Jeanette, dear Wolf, thank you very much for being willing to take the responsibility of serving as co-chairs for EURALO board. I am happy, that we finally have to volunteers as there is a lot to do. We should clarify the election procedure (I think end of nomination period until next tuesday, starting election - if necessary - wednesday would make sense). Most urgent is that we develop a list of issues and projects we would like to achieve within the next year. This is also relevant for the ICANN fiscal term 2007-2008 in case some projects would need financial support. best annette Wolf Ludwig schrieb:
After facing some problems with the EURALO-list, Jeanette and I would like to forward you the following announcement:
Hi all,
thanks to Jeanette for taking the initiative. I fully agree with the summary of our late discussions. Being aware about Jeanette's time constraints I personally would prefer the option of a co-chair.
I am pleased to confirm the announcement of our candidature.
Best regards, Wolf
Jeanette Hofmann wrote Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:17: Hi everyone,
it seems the election of the ALAC members and of the EURALO board was so traumatic that a rather lively list fell dead silent after we got the results. There is something destructiv or at least polarizing about majority votes, they don't do justice to minorities. How to deal with this situation?
First of all, the board needs to become operational, and it needs a chair. If we are lucky, the tasks of the coming months will help us to overcome or at least alleviate some of the cleavages we have seen on this list.
Wolf Ludwig and I have talked about the election of the chair and we have decided to run as a duo either with him as chair and me as vice-chair or the two of us as co-chairs. We both have very positive experience with co-chairing. We are not aware that the bylaws would prohibit such a solution.
I want to be frank though as I am afraid of over-committing myself. As some of you know, I am going to move to London in early autumn and start a new job. Thus I cannot commit a lot of time to this task in the coming months and I would see myself rather in the role of assisting Wolf and the board with whatever objectives they plan to accomplish.
If this seems acceptable Wolf and I would like to announce our candidature.
Best, Jeanette
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May I suggest, since several members of the community will be travelling and attending the San Juan meeting, that we give people a week at least to post nominations? It would be good, I'm sure you'll agree, to have an election this time around that is uneventful. It would also be very helpful for staff resources, if there are more than just one candidate for each position, to have elections not start until after the San Juan meeting ends, rather than beginning in the middle of the meeting. On 21 Jun 2007, at 19:48, Annette Muehlberg wrote:
Dear Jeanette, dear Wolf,
thank you very much for being willing to take the responsibility of serving as co-chairs for EURALO board. I am happy, that we finally have to volunteers as there is a lot to do. We should clarify the election procedure (I think end of nomination period until next tuesday, starting election - if necessary - wednesday would make sense).
Most urgent is that we develop a list of issues and projects we would like to achieve within the next year.
This is also relevant for the ICANN fiscal term 2007-2008 in case some projects would need financial support.
best annette
Wolf Ludwig schrieb:
After facing some problems with the EURALO-list, Jeanette and I would like to forward you the following announcement:
Hi all,
thanks to Jeanette for taking the initiative. I fully agree with the summary of our late discussions. Being aware about Jeanette's time constraints I personally would prefer the option of a co-chair.
I am pleased to confirm the announcement of our candidature.
Best regards, Wolf
Jeanette Hofmann wrote Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:17: Hi everyone,
it seems the election of the ALAC members and of the EURALO board was so traumatic that a rather lively list fell dead silent after we got the results. There is something destructiv or at least polarizing about majority votes, they don't do justice to minorities. How to deal with this situation?
First of all, the board needs to become operational, and it needs a chair. If we are lucky, the tasks of the coming months will help us to overcome or at least alleviate some of the cleavages we have seen on this list.
Wolf Ludwig and I have talked about the election of the chair and we have decided to run as a duo either with him as chair and me as vice-chair or the two of us as co-chairs. We both have very positive experience with co-chairing. We are not aware that the bylaws would prohibit such a solution.
I want to be frank though as I am afraid of over-committing myself. As some of you know, I am going to move to London in early autumn and start a new job. Thus I cannot commit a lot of time to this task in the coming months and I would see myself rather in the role of assisting Wolf and the board with whatever objectives they plan to accomplish.
If this seems acceptable Wolf and I would like to announce our candidature.
Best, Jeanette
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Wolf Ludwig ha scritto:
After facing some problems with the EURALO-list, Jeanette and I would like to forward you the following announcement:
Hi all,
thanks to Jeanette for taking the initiative. I fully agree with the summary of our late discussions. Being aware about Jeanette's time constraints I personally would prefer the option of a co-chair.
Some preliminary reactions (just arrived in San Juan, very tired :) ). I am fine with whatever person wants to be Chair, including you and Jeanette, as long as this person can agree to some basic points. It is clear that, unfortunately, there has been a sort of a split among two groups of ALSes. Some people were a bit bitter after the elections - that happens in all elections, and maybe has been overcome now, but I think that we have to commit to work to be inclusive. In other words, I would like that whoever wants to be Chair explicitly commits to working by rough consensus, if not by full, and tries to bridge this sort of divide that has emerge. Also, one main activity for our next months should be outreach: we should increase diversity, bring many new organizations in the EURALO, and become more representative and thus more credible. I would like to hear what you think about this, and hopefully your commitment to this working programme and philosophy :-) About the co-chair issue, I don't have a problem with it in practice, but I am a bit concerned by the idea of starting to "bend" our Bylaws, because that might lead to further controversies if we start to adapt them in other ways. I would be happier if we could have just one person formally elected as Chair, with the other sharing the work. Maybe we could rotate after the first term ends. Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hi Vittorio and all, thanks for your remarks and for suggesting some basic points. Jeanette mentioned this “cleavages“ or split among our EURALO ALSes already, as you did, and I think we all agree that we have to overcome this difficult and hampering situation as soon as possible. I agree that we have to do our utmost, and in particular the future Co-/Chair of EURALO, to be “inclusive” (no chair function should be “polarizing”!). Living and working in Switzerland since almost 17 years now I have learned to appreciate diversity – in terms of language, culture, regional/geographic particularities or priorities etc. The Swiss typology of federalism with its strong autonomy of cantons, its system of direct democracy always goes along with a high level of controversies. BUT: this political systems couldn’t work without a special sense and ability to seek compromises, which are acceptable to all, at the end. That means: I am not afraid about controversial debates and discourses, to sort out different approaches, opinions and principles or values -- as long as we can bring it down to compromises, or “rough consensus”, as you said, “if not by full”. The more we share some basic principles the easier it will be. Such basic principles to me are: *that the results should be “people centred” in the very interest of the Internet end users or the public, *procedures and decision making processes should be inclusive, transparent and accountable. I further agree that the first challenge for the board and Chair of EURALO will be “to bridge the sort of divide” among the EURALO ALSes we have seen over the last month. I also agree with you, that “one main activity for our next months should be outreach: we should increase diversity, bring many new organizations in the EURALO, and become more representative and thus more credible." I am not aware about the extend to which a Co-chair option would "bend" our Bylaws, and I leave this up to further discussions and elaborations on the list. Your suggestion, Vittorio, also matches with the announcement of Jeanette (“I want to be frank though as I am afraid of over-committing myself. As some of you know, I am going to move to London in early autumn and start a new job. Thus I cannot commit a lot of time to this task in the coming months and I would see myself rather in the role of assisting Wolf and the board with whatever objectives they plan to accomplish.“) Best, Wolf Vittorio Bertola wrote Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:33: (...)
I am fine with whatever person wants to be Chair, including you and Jeanette, as long as this person can agree to some basic points.
It is clear that, unfortunately, there has been a sort of a split among two groups of ALSes. Some people were a bit bitter after the elections - that happens in all elections, and maybe has been overcome now, but I think that we have to commit to work to be inclusive.
In other words, I would like that whoever wants to be Chair explicitly commits to working by rough consensus, if not by full, and tries to bridge this sort of divide that has emerge. Also, one main activity for our next months should be outreach: we should increase diversity, bring many new organizations in the EURALO, and become more representative and thus more credible.
I would like to hear what you think about this, and hopefully your commitment to this working programme and philosophy :-)
About the co-chair issue, I don't have a problem with it in practice, but I am a bit concerned by the idea of starting to "bend" our Bylaws, because that might lead to further controversies if we start to adapt them in other ways. I would be happier if we could have just one person formally elected as Chair, with the other sharing the work. Maybe we could rotate after the first term ends.
Ciao, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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Hi, On 6/24/07 2:33 AM, "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@bertola.eu> wrote:
About the co-chair issue, I don't have a problem with it in practice, but I am a bit concerned by the idea of starting to "bend" our Bylaws, because that might lead to further controversies if we start to adapt them in other ways. I would be happier if we could have just one person formally elected as Chair, with the other sharing the work. Maybe we could rotate after the first term ends.
I think Wolf and Jeanette would be very well suited to the task at hand, in whatever format is agreeable to all. If co-chairing constitutes undue bending, then rotating the titles but working together in the meanwhile seems a reasonable alternative. Best, Bill
hi all
About the co-chair issue, I don't have a problem with it in practice, but I am a bit concerned by the idea of starting to "bend" our Bylaws, because that might lead to further controversies if we start to adapt them in other ways. I would be happier if we could have just one person formally elected as Chair, with the other sharing the work. Maybe we could rotate after the first term ends.
I think Wolf and Jeanette would be very well suited to the task at hand, in whatever format is agreeable to all. If co-chairing constitutes undue bending, then rotating the titles but working together in the meanwhile seems a reasonable alternative.
i support jeanette and wolf co-chairing the board - i also support the principle or practice, of co-chairing in general - i thnk it's a good way to build capacity and share work - it's practical and often makes a lot of sense for situations where many are overloaded and overcommitted - and ALAC is one of those.. if the by laws currently prevent the co-chairing as it's been proposed, then i guess the rotational approach seems a sensible compromise at this time but going back to the principle/practice of co-chairing.. i'm sure we don't want to get caught up in the process of changing bylaws now (as otherwise i would ideally propose a motion be drafted to allow for co-chairing) - there are many things to be done at such an early stage for a board - but would table it for later discussion wolf/jeanette - are you feel comfortable proceeding along the lines outlined by vittorio/bill? karen
Karen has my full support. I also would avoid a formal bylaw change but to move forward with all the flexibility and the interpreation that the dee jure constallation is practisized de facto in the proposed form. First step has to b a workplan and, as Vittorio has proposed, outreach. It would make sens to identify a list of "hot topics" where we can start to write "issues/position papers". On my list are, among others, data protection in whois, freedom of expression in TLDs and SLDs, market development (around secondary domain name market, domain name tasitng etc.) and price development in domain name registration. Security of the Internet core ressources could be another subject, where a European voice would be good. With regard to outreach, I had recently a long discussion with a representative from the Brussels based Europen Consumer Protection Organisation. They are very recognized by the European Commiussion and are regularily invited to hearings, presenting the consumer voice to various issues. My impression is that a cooperation would be useful. For them Domain Names are not yet seen as a consumer protection issues, but the lady was rather open and interested to get more knowledge about this. Wolfgsang ________________________________ Von: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org im Auftrag von karen banks Gesendet: So 24.06.2007 17:07 An: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Discussion for At-Large Europe Betreff: Re: [EURO-Discuss] the EURALO board hi all
About the co-chair issue, I don't have a problem with it in practice, but I am a bit concerned by the idea of starting to "bend" our Bylaws, because that might lead to further controversies if we start to adapt them in other ways. I would be happier if we could have just one person formally elected as Chair, with the other sharing the work. Maybe we could rotate after the first term ends.
I think Wolf and Jeanette would be very well suited to the task at hand, in whatever format is agreeable to all. If co-chairing constitutes undue bending, then rotating the titles but working together in the meanwhile seems a reasonable alternative.
i support jeanette and wolf co-chairing the board - i also support the principle or practice, of co-chairing in general - i thnk it's a good way to build capacity and share work - it's practical and often makes a lot of sense for situations where many are overloaded and overcommitted - and ALAC is one of those.. if the by laws currently prevent the co-chairing as it's been proposed, then i guess the rotational approach seems a sensible compromise at this time but going back to the principle/practice of co-chairing.. i'm sure we don't want to get caught up in the process of changing bylaws now (as otherwise i would ideally propose a motion be drafted to allow for co-chairing) - there are many things to be done at such an early stage for a board - but would table it for later discussion wolf/jeanette - are you feel comfortable proceeding along the lines outlined by vittorio/bill? karen _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists.i... Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org/>
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I also would avoid a formal bylaw change Indeed this may not be the time for bylaw changes and I think we can live with some more bending of the rules. Do keep in mind though that it would be a temporary situation that needs to be addressed formally. Anyway we will have to go through that bylaws drafting exercise again, if only to straighten the grey areas in our election procedures. If it is not the right time now, maybe we could postpone this to autumn, once the the board reached its full speed. With regard to outreach, I had recently a long discussion with a representative from the Brussels based Europen Consumer Protection Organisation. My impression is that a cooperation would be useful. I would rather favour more participation (ie more ALSes). Cooperation with outsiders who are not up to speed with ICANN related issues tend to be too high level to provide any useful input. Further you need balance. If you want the consumer union side to be represented in some way, you would also need representatives from SMEs and larger companies, which are also domain name registrants. They are, too, part of our "target audience".
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Patrick, At 12:16 6/24/2007 -0400, you wrote:
KleinwДchter wrote:
I also would avoid a formal bylaw change Indeed this may not be the time for bylaw changes and I think we can
I think before talking about bylaw changes, we need to figure out what's wrong with the organization today (if something), and only then think of something else. From ISOC-Bulgaria perspective, it would be good if we are involved in something more constructive, than arguing how many members the board should have, shall we have one chair, two co-chairs, or may be just have as many co-chairs as we have members. One of the reasons for lack of greater participation could be that people see how much time is being wasted in the process, and they lose interest in participating.
With regard to outreach, I had recently a long discussion with a representative from the Brussels based Europen Consumer Protection Organisation. My impression is that a cooperation would be useful. I would rather favour more participation (ie more ALSes). Cooperation with outsiders who are not up to speed with ICANN related issues tend to be too high level to provide any useful input.
I agree with this as well. And if you start going that way, the next (natural) step is to talk with my friend, the EU commissioner Meglena Kuneva, who is responsible for consumer protection, and then involve the Commission, etc., etc. We should focus on talking to organizations that can join the At-Large, which will be better for the Internet. veni
karen banks wrote Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:07:
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wolf/jeanette - are you feel comfortable proceeding along the lines outlined by vittorio/bill?
karen
For my part, I would feel comfortable to proceed along the lines suggested by Vittorio and Bill -- as I confirmed already in my previous mail. I also agree with other motions from yesterday that it's no priority at all to start discussions about modifying or changing the By-laws. It makes no sense to continue with procedural issues. I fully agree with Wolfgang that we have to concentrate on content and discuss a solid working programe. Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
Hi all, I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo. Desiree -- Wolf Ludwig wrote:
karen banks wrote Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:07:
(...)
wolf/jeanette - are you feel comfortable proceeding along the lines outlined by vittorio/bill?
karen
For my part, I would feel comfortable to proceed along the lines suggested by Vittorio and Bill -- as I confirmed already in my previous mail.
I also agree with other motions from yesterday that it's no priority at all to start discussions about modifying or changing the By-laws. It makes no sense to continue with procedural issues. I fully agree with Wolfgang that we have to concentrate on content and discuss a solid working programe.
Best, Wolf
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Hi all, I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid. Best, Wolf Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:
Hi all,
I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo.
Desiree --
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I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent. What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide). I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now. And congratulations :) On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid.
Best, Wolf
Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:
Hi all,
I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo.
Desiree --
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Dear all, I would like to thank our fellow board members – as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, “It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO“, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.“ To me this does not mean to avoid controversies “at any price” but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let’s move on! Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and best regards, Jeanette and Wolf Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid.
Best, Wolf
Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:
Hi all,
I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo.
Desiree --
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Dear Wolf and European ALSes: In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment) With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join. There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall. On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid.
Best, Wolf
Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:
Hi all,
I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo.
Desiree --
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Dear Nick, thanks for your remarks conc. the list I sent! As far as I know, Wolfgang joined already the PSC-list and is in contact with Pierre. Regarding the two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe I want to clarify that we do NOT intend to follow-up the whole bunch of EC/EU and CoE stuff BUT to concentrate purely on issues related to ICANN work and discussions, such as netneutrality and others -- which may be specific or relevant for EURALO! Best, Wolf Nick Ashton-Hart Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:47:
Dear Wolf and European ALSes:
In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment)
With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join.
There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall.
On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid.
Best, Wolf
Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:
Hi all,
I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo.
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Glad to hear Wolfgang is all set to go. On the other points: I'd be interested to understand how any interaction outside of ICANN, but related to ICANN's mission, is meant to work. What I mean in practical terms is that until the EURALO has decided upon a position with respect to the current policy areas which ICANN stakeholders is working on, what interaction with anyone other than ICANN is actually useful? The purpose of EURALO, as agreed in the Bylaws of EURALO, is: "The purpose of the Association is to consider and provide advice on the activities of ICANN, insofar as they relate to the interests of individual European Internet users, especially with regard to fostering consumer protection, human rights and civil liberties and to strengthening participation rights in Internet policy decision making." Until the EURALO actually has decided positions on any substantive policy area, what use would interaction with the EU/EC/CoE or anyone else actually serve? This is a sensitive time in the development of the At-Large community. If those outside of At-Large see a RALO making efforts at spending time interacting with agencies completely outside of ICANN, especially before being engaged substantively in the work of ICANN, to be honest it will create a bad impression. ICANN will also be unlikely to fund efforts which are largely unrelated to ICANN's business, and interacting with the EC/EU/CoE is something that I believed the various ALSes were intending to reserve for themselves. After years of discussing process, there is an expectation in the broader ICANN community that the At-Large community will become engaged with policy development, as all the other constituencies are and have been for a long time now. If they see that the first efforts are related to institutions completely outside of the ICANN policy development context it will do the community, and those engaged in such efforts, no good at all. I'm sorry if this is seen as something of a wet blanket, but I have an obligation to all of you to provide you with an honest assessment of things and that's what I'm trying to do here. On 14/8/07 13:19, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Nick,
thanks for your remarks conc. the list I sent!
As far as I know, Wolfgang joined already the PSC-list and is in contact with Pierre.
Regarding the two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe I want to clarify that we do NOT intend to follow-up the whole bunch of EC/EU and CoE stuff BUT to concentrate purely on issues related to ICANN work and discussions, such as netneutrality and others -- which may be specific or relevant for EURALO!
Best, Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:47:
Dear Wolf and European ALSes:
In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment)
With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join.
There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall.
On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid.
Best, Wolf
Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09:
Hi all,
I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as co-chairs of Euralo.
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Hi Nick, my answer to your questions would be that most of us are members of various organizations and networks. Most of these issue networks overlap, and it is actually quite useful that they do so. We gain expertise and access to all sorts of resources by being involved in networks. Even ICANN itself as become more active in fora such as the IGF. So, I would say this is not a matter of before and after but rather of benefiting from synergies. To name just one example, the council of Europe has been very active in the field of privacy matters. There is no need to start at zero again if there is a chance to build on the COE's work. jeanette
Until the EURALO actually has decided positions on any substantive policy area, what use would interaction with the EU/EC/CoE or anyone else actually serve?
This is a sensitive time in the development of the At-Large community. If those outside of At-Large see a RALO making efforts at spending time interacting with agencies completely outside of ICANN, especially before being engaged substantively in the work of ICANN, to be honest it will create a bad impression. ICANN will also be unlikely to fund efforts which are largely unrelated to ICANN's business, and interacting with the EC/EU/CoE is something that I believed the various ALSes were intending to reserve for themselves.
After years of discussing process, there is an expectation in the broader ICANN community that the At-Large community will become engaged with policy development, as all the other constituencies are and have been for a long time now. If they see that the first efforts are related to institutions completely outside of the ICANN policy development context it will do the community, and those engaged in such efforts, no good at all.
I'm sorry if this is seen as something of a wet blanket, but I have an obligation to all of you to provide you with an honest assessment of things and that's what I'm trying to do here.
On 14/8/07 13:19, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Nick,
thanks for your remarks conc. the list I sent!
As far as I know, Wolfgang joined already the PSC-list and is in contact with Pierre.
Regarding the two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe I want to clarify that we do NOT intend to follow-up the whole bunch of EC/EU and CoE stuff BUT to concentrate purely on issues related to ICANN work and discussions, such as netneutrality and others -- which may be specific or relevant for EURALO!
Best, Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:47:
Dear Wolf and European ALSes:
In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment)
With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join.
There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall.
On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
Hi all,
I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority for the EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid.
Best, Wolf
Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09: > Hi all, > > I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as > co-chairs of Euralo. > > Desiree > --
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Jeanette Hofmann ha scritto:
Hi Nick,
my answer to your questions would be that most of us are members of various organizations and networks. Most of these issue networks overlap, and it is actually quite useful that they do so. We gain expertise and access to all sorts of resources by being involved in networks. Even ICANN itself as become more active in fora such as the IGF. So, I would say this is not a matter of before and after but rather of benefiting from synergies. To name just one example, the council of Europe has been very active in the field of privacy matters. There is no need to start at zero again if there is a chance to build on the COE's work.
I think that it'll be fine to interact with other entities if (when) they address ICANN related matters and if positions are first discussed with the group or at least with the Board, so that they are collectively elaborated. The only thing I wouldn't like is any of us going to meetings or mailing lists of whatever group or organization and saying something "on behalf of EURALO" without a single message ever circulating to this list. So I'd structure these interactions like this: whenever an ICANN-related discussion or event comes up at one of these organizations, the person responsible for taking care of it sends an alert to this list, we discuss what to do, and we give him/her indications about what we think. However, we should first ensure to do our homework for internal ICANN affairs - as an example, we are supposed to provide to the ALAC a nomination for one NomCom member from Europe, by the end of this month if I'm not wrong, and we've not even started the process yet. So I would suggest that we focus on that as soon as possible. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
Hi all, Vittorio Bertola wrote Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:55:
I think that it'll be fine to interact with other entities if (when) they address ICANN related matters and if positions are first discussed with the group or at least with the Board, so that they are collectively elaborated. The only thing I wouldn't like is any of us going to meetings or mailing lists of whatever group or organization and saying something "on behalf of EURALO" without a single message ever circulating to this list.
So I'd structure these interactions like this: whenever an ICANN-related discussion or event comes up at one of these organizations, the person responsible for taking care of it sends an alert to this list, we discuss what to do, and we give him/her indications about what we think. (...)
Thanks, Vittorio, for this additional remarks and clarifications -- it's exactly meant in the way and structure you described and any interactions must be based on common decisions. Best, Wolf comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
Dear Nick, in addition to Jeanette's points, let me specify that I am working as a free lanced journalist specialised on media and info society themes. It's part of my current job to follow EU/EC and CoE discussions (even in Switzerland ,-) on relevant or related subjects. This could be used for inputs for EURALO and the board -- just in the rather passiv sense of being informed and up-dated about - and restricted to ICANN- related questions! - and not in an pro-active way like writing position papers etc. on behalf of EURALO which could be decided by the board only. This is nothing additional but something that could be used for the benefit of EURALO. Best, Wolf Jeanette Hofmann wrote Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:40:
Hi Nick,
my answer to your questions would be that most of us are members of various organizations and networks. Most of these issue networks overlap, and it is actually quite useful that they do so. We gain expertise and access to all sorts of resources by being involved in networks. Even ICANN itself as become more active in fora such as the IGF. So, I would say this is not a matter of before and after but rather of benefiting from synergies. To name just one example, the council of Europe has been very active in the field of privacy matters. There is no need to start at zero again if there is a chance to build on the COE's work. jeanette
Until the EURALO actually has decided positions on any substantive policy area, what use would interaction with the EU/EC/CoE or anyone else actually serve?
This is a sensitive time in the development of the At-Large community. If those outside of At-Large see a RALO making efforts at spending time interacting with agencies completely outside of ICANN, especially before being engaged substantively in the work of ICANN, to be honest it will create a bad impression. ICANN will also be unlikely to fund efforts which are largely unrelated to ICANN's business, and interacting with the EC/EU/CoE is something that I believed the various ALSes were intending to reserve for themselves.
After years of discussing process, there is an expectation in the broader ICANN community that the At-Large community will become engaged with policy development, as all the other constituencies are and have been for a long time now. If they see that the first efforts are related to institutions completely outside of the ICANN policy development context it will do the community, and those engaged in such efforts, no good at all.
I'm sorry if this is seen as something of a wet blanket, but I have an obligation to all of you to provide you with an honest assessment of things and that's what I'm trying to do here.
On 14/8/07 13:19, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Nick,
thanks for your remarks conc. the list I sent!
As far as I know, Wolfgang joined already the PSC-list and is in contact with Pierre.
Regarding the two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe I want to clarify that we do NOT intend to follow-up the whole bunch of EC/EU and CoE stuff BUT to concentrate purely on issues related to ICANN work and discussions, such as netneutrality and others -- which may be specific or relevant for EURALO!
Best, Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:47:
Dear Wolf and European ALSes:
In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment)
With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join.
There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall.
On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
> Hi all, > > I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority > for the > EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask > Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting > procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid. > > Best, > Wolf > > > Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as >> co-chairs of Euralo. >> >> Desiree >> -- > > comunica-ch > phone +41 79 204 83 87 > www.comunica-ch.net > > http://blog.allmend.ch - > Digitale Allmend > <ChairsVoting.doc> > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro- > discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
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Dear Jeanette, I totally agree with you about the vision of the at-large community ! Best Ynternet.org - Institut de Recherche & Formation en eCulture ePortfolio personnel sur http://www.ynternet.org/move Rue Curtat 14 - CP 7796 - 1002 Lausanne - Switzerland Bureau + 41 21 311 30 47 - Portable + 41 76 376 97 76 Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :
Hi Nick,
my answer to your questions would be that most of us are members of various organizations and networks. Most of these issue networks overlap, and it is actually quite useful that they do so. We gain expertise and access to all sorts of resources by being involved in networks. Even ICANN itself as become more active in fora such as the IGF. So, I would say this is not a matter of before and after but rather of benefiting from synergies. To name just one example, the council of Europe has been very active in the field of privacy matters. There is no need to start at zero again if there is a chance to build on the COE's work. jeanette
Until the EURALO actually has decided positions on any substantive policy area, what use would interaction with the EU/EC/CoE or anyone else actually serve?
This is a sensitive time in the development of the At-Large community. If those outside of At-Large see a RALO making efforts at spending time interacting with agencies completely outside of ICANN, especially before being engaged substantively in the work of ICANN, to be honest it will create a bad impression. ICANN will also be unlikely to fund efforts which are largely unrelated to ICANN's business, and interacting with the EC/EU/CoE is something that I believed the various ALSes were intending to reserve for themselves.
After years of discussing process, there is an expectation in the broader ICANN community that the At-Large community will become engaged with policy development, as all the other constituencies are and have been for a long time now. If they see that the first efforts are related to institutions completely outside of the ICANN policy development context it will do the community, and those engaged in such efforts, no good at all.
I'm sorry if this is seen as something of a wet blanket, but I have an obligation to all of you to provide you with an honest assessment of things and that's what I'm trying to do here.
On 14/8/07 13:19, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Nick,
thanks for your remarks conc. the list I sent!
As far as I know, Wolfgang joined already the PSC-list and is in contact with Pierre.
Regarding the two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe I want to clarify that we do NOT intend to follow-up the whole bunch of EC/EU and CoE stuff BUT to concentrate purely on issues related to ICANN work and discussions, such as netneutrality and others -- which may be specific or relevant for EURALO!
Best, Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:47:
Dear Wolf and European ALSes:
In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment)
With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join.
There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall.
On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
> Hi all, > > I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority > for the > EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask > Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting > procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid. > > Best, > Wolf > > > Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as >> co-chairs of Euralo. >> >> Desiree >> -- > comunica-ch > phone +41 79 204 83 87 > www.comunica-ch.net > > http://blog.allmend.ch - > Digitale Allmend > <ChairsVoting.doc> > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro- > discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_atlarge-lists. ic ann.org
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Thanks for your considered reply Jeanette; I understand the dynamic very well, but the point I was making is 1) The EURALO exists primarily to make comments about ICANN's work to ICANN 2) In order for the EURALO to comment on anything, it would need to come to a decision about what views it actually has first - and if two of the board members are focussed on external relations, it seems to me you are putting the cart before the horse. On 14/8/07 14:40, "Jeanette Hofmann" <jeanette@wzb.eu> wrote:
Hi Nick,
my answer to your questions would be that most of us are members of various organizations and networks. Most of these issue networks overlap, and it is actually quite useful that they do so. We gain expertise and access to all sorts of resources by being involved in networks. Even ICANN itself as become more active in fora such as the IGF. So, I would say this is not a matter of before and after but rather of benefiting from synergies. To name just one example, the council of Europe has been very active in the field of privacy matters. There is no need to start at zero again if there is a chance to build on the COE's work. jeanette
Until the EURALO actually has decided positions on any substantive policy area, what use would interaction with the EU/EC/CoE or anyone else actually serve?
This is a sensitive time in the development of the At-Large community. If those outside of At-Large see a RALO making efforts at spending time interacting with agencies completely outside of ICANN, especially before being engaged substantively in the work of ICANN, to be honest it will create a bad impression. ICANN will also be unlikely to fund efforts which are largely unrelated to ICANN's business, and interacting with the EC/EU/CoE is something that I believed the various ALSes were intending to reserve for themselves.
After years of discussing process, there is an expectation in the broader ICANN community that the At-Large community will become engaged with policy development, as all the other constituencies are and have been for a long time now. If they see that the first efforts are related to institutions completely outside of the ICANN policy development context it will do the community, and those engaged in such efforts, no good at all.
I'm sorry if this is seen as something of a wet blanket, but I have an obligation to all of you to provide you with an honest assessment of things and that's what I'm trying to do here.
On 14/8/07 13:19, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear Nick,
thanks for your remarks conc. the list I sent!
As far as I know, Wolfgang joined already the PSC-list and is in contact with Pierre.
Regarding the two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe I want to clarify that we do NOT intend to follow-up the whole bunch of EC/EU and CoE stuff BUT to concentrate purely on issues related to ICANN work and discussions, such as netneutrality and others -- which may be specific or relevant for EURALO!
Best, Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:47:
Dear Wolf and European ALSes:
In perusing the list that Wolf has sent out I have a couple of questions, if I might (and one comment)
With respect to the PSC: The current liaison to the PSC is Pierre Dandjinou. There is certainly a working group/mailing list associated with this effort which Wolfgang would not only be welcome to join but encouraged to join.
There are two items of work referencing the EC/EU and Council of Europe. It would be helpful to understand what this means, since the Bylaws of EURALO make clear that EURALOs work relates to ICANN, not the EU or the Council of Europe. This was the subject of considerable debate as I recall.
On 9/8/07 12:03, "Wolf Ludwig" <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to thank our fellow board members as well as other expressions of support -- for their confidence and approval electing Jeanette and me to the EURALO chairs. As Roberto stated some time ago, ³It is time to forget the discussions, and go ahead for the benefit of *the whole* EURALO³, ... and taking into account *the whole* spectrum of positions.³
To me this does not mean to avoid controversies ³at any price² but they should be purely based on substance and issues, and we all should try our best to find consensus and to come up with decisions *for the benefit of the whole EURALO*. Thanks again and let¹s move on!
Attached please find a draft for a planning sheet regarding work division and follow-up of ICANN-related issues. Those of you who did not express their preferences yet, please be so kind and (leave it open or) add your topics as to accomplish the draft. Thanks and
best regards, Jeanette and Wolf
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:18:
I would say that since there was only one candidate for each position, and no adverse views were expressed in respect of either candidacy over a period of weeks, it seems to me that Wolf and Jeannette were elected by unanimous consent.
What I would say is that the Bylaws do provide for a single Chair and a separate Vice-Chair, so Wolf would be the Chair and Jeannette the vice-chair - though of course there is nothing to stop the two of them effectively dividing the work equally so that they act jointly as the Chair should they so wish (and without objection of the members of the Board) - though of course it would be usual for Wolf to act as sole Chair of Board meetings (unless he was unavailable in which case of course Jeannette would act as Chair of the meeting as the Bylaws provide).
I will add the two of you to the Secretariats mailing list now.
And congratulations :)
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:40, Wolf Ludwig wrote:
> Hi all, > > I think it's done -- by Desiree's vote there is a clear majority > for the > EURALO chairs according to the attached listing. I would like to ask > Nick to check whether the requirements regarding the voting > procedure are fulfilled and the result can be considered as valid. > > Best, > Wolf > > > Desiree Miloshevic wrote Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:09: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to support the motion that Wolf and Jeannete act as >> co-chairs of Euralo. >> >> Desiree >> -- > > comunica-ch > phone +41 79 204 83 87 > www.comunica-ch.net > > http://blog.allmend.ch - > Digitale Allmend > <ChairsVoting.doc> > _______________________________________________ > EURO-Discuss mailing list > EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro- > discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
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participants (12)
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Annette Muehlberg -
Desiree Miloshevic -
Jeanette Hofmann -
karen banks -
Kleinwächter, Wolfgang -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Patrick Vande Walle -
Théo Bondolfi -
veni markovski -
Vittorio Bertola -
William Drake -
Wolf Ludwig