Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] European Union Court of Justice ruling on data retention.
Wolf et al Yesterday's announcement is very important. And I suspect a LOT of EU based registrars and their legal counsel are looking at this very closely. Some of us have been discussing the decision and trying to understand what (if any) impact it will / can have on the current situation with regard to EU registrars and the 2013 contract. It should also be noted that there are privacy implications with the standard new TLD registry contract. The ECJ's decision will mean that the Irish case has to go back to the Irish courts.. And of course while the ruling means the directive is "bad" it can't automatically overrule the legislation in all the member states overnight .. How ICANN will deal with this is another question entirely and it'll be interesting to see if their legal counsel are adopting their tone in light of this .. Just my two cents .. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 -----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:44 PM To: At-Large Worldwide; Jean-Jacques Subrenat Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] European Union Court of Justice ruling on data retention. Dear Jean-Jacques and all, (let me Cc the EURALO list to this) thanks a lot for pointing to this yesterday’s European Court decision with various and important foreseeable impacts – “regarding the protection of Internet user rights and privacy”, as you mentioned. As EDRI affirmed yesterday: “After eight years, this affront (data retention) to the fundamental rights of European citizens has finally been declared illegal. Eight years of abuses of personal data and eight years of reassurances from EU Member States and the Commission that the measure was legal …” Various among our German ALSes (DigitalCourage, Network New Media, Vereinigung Datenschutz etc.) pointed to this abuse and violation of privacy rights since years while the public was mislead until this superior court ruling. As an example, Germany didn’t transpose this EU Directive 2002/58/EC into its national legislation so far and was sued by the European Commission for “non-compliance with EU rules”. Now the EU Commission and most member states have to do their home work for respecting this European Court decision (life can be cruel ;-) Besides Europe, this court decision impacts IMO also ICANN incl. recent discussions in Singapore (and before) whether or to what an extent European registrars have to comply with and exert ICANN rules clearly violating European privacy standards – particularly after yesterday’s court decision? To me, yesterday was a great day for reaffirming *privacy as a fundamental right* in the EU! Any further comments on this are welcome! Kind regards, Wolf Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote Wed, 9 Apr 2014 10:32:4
On 9 april, the European Union Court of Justice (EUCJ) ruled that
"Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006 on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC is invalid".
This ruling follows requests by associations representing civil society in Ireland (Digital Rights Ireland, Ltd.) and Austria (Verfassungsgerichtshof). It - requires the European Union to provide enhanced protection for Internet and telecommunications users; - while recognizing the legitimate concerns posed by criminal and terrorist activities, imposes improved protection of personal data and privacy.
For those not familiar with the legal system of the European Union, when the new Directive will have been adopted as a result of this ruling, it will be transposed into the national legislation of each Member State.
To my knowledge, this ruling represents one of the most (if not the most) advanced legislation in the world regarding the protection of Internet user rights and privacy.
The full ruling can be read - in English, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre= - in French, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre= - in German, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre=
Jean-Jacques.
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Some of us have been discussing the decision and trying to understand what
(if any) impact it will / can have on the current situation with regard to EU registrars and the 2013 contract. It should also be noted that there are privacy implications with the standard new TLD registry contract.
ICANN is now using ad hoc exemption measures to except EU registrars from certain data retention requirements, specified in RAA. Yes, there might also have impacts on standard RAs. But there are privacy and data protection laws developing in other regions, like ASEAN and APEC. ICANN should not just mind the laws in Europe. In designing its global RDS to replace whois, ICANN needs to develop a holistic policy to address to current or potential conflicts with the local laws. Hong
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:44 PM To: At-Large Worldwide; Jean-Jacques Subrenat Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] European Union Court of Justice ruling on data retention.
Dear Jean-Jacques and all, (let me Cc the EURALO list to this)
thanks a lot for pointing to this yesterday's European Court decision with various and important foreseeable impacts - "regarding the protection of Internet user rights and privacy", as you mentioned.
As EDRI affirmed yesterday: "After eight years, this affront (data retention) to the fundamental rights of European citizens has finally been declared illegal. Eight years of abuses of personal data and eight years of reassurances from EU Member States and the Commission that the measure was legal ..." Various among our German ALSes (DigitalCourage, Network New Media, Vereinigung Datenschutz etc.) pointed to this abuse and violation of privacy rights since years while the public was mislead until this superior court ruling. As an example, Germany didn't transpose this EU Directive 2002/58/EC into its national legislation so far and was sued by the European Commission for "non-compliance with EU rules". Now the EU Commission and most member states have to do their home work for respecting this European Court decision (life can be cruel ;-)
Besides Europe, this court decision impacts IMO also ICANN incl. recent discussions in Singapore (and before) whether or to what an extent European registrars have to comply with and exert ICANN rules clearly violating European privacy standards - particularly after yesterday's court decision?
To me, yesterday was a great day for reaffirming *privacy as a fundamental right* in the EU! Any further comments on this are welcome!
Kind regards, Wolf
Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote Wed, 9 Apr 2014 10:32:4
On 9 april, the European Union Court of Justice (EUCJ) ruled that
"Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006 on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC is invalid".
This ruling follows requests by associations representing civil society in Ireland (Digital Rights Ireland, Ltd.) and Austria (Verfassungsgerichtshof). It - requires the European Union to provide enhanced protection for Internet and telecommunications users; - while recognizing the legitimate concerns posed by criminal and terrorist activities, imposes improved protection of personal data and privacy.
For those not familiar with the legal system of the European Union, when the new Directive will have been adopted as a result of this ruling, it will be transposed into the national legislation of each Member State.
To my knowledge, this ruling represents one of the most (if not the most) advanced legislation in the world regarding the protection of Internet user rights and privacy.
The full ruling can be read - in English, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre= - in French, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre= - in German, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre=
Jean-Jacques.
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++1. Insightful comments. The EWG is grappling with this very issue of fragmented responses to jurisdictional differences pertaining privacy and consumer rights and we are struggling to come up with a solid recommendation. We know what is required is something with the outlook and impact of an international treaty; a defined outcome without necessarily recommending a rigid process to objective. One of the ideas floated is that of ICANN developing a set of so-called Binding Corporate Rules that has the impact of an international treaty that might be added as a specification to the Ry/Rs contracts. If you have ideas about the principles that must bound the actions in this area we would love to hear them. Best, -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr@gmail.com> wrote:
Some of us have been discussing the decision and trying to understand what
(if any) impact it will / can have on the current situation with regard to EU registrars and the 2013 contract. It should also be noted that there are privacy implications with the standard new TLD registry contract.
ICANN is now using ad hoc exemption measures to except EU registrars from certain data retention requirements, specified in RAA. Yes, there might also have impacts on standard RAs. But there are privacy and data protection laws developing in other regions, like ASEAN and APEC. ICANN should not just mind the laws in Europe. In designing its global RDS to replace whois, ICANN needs to develop a holistic policy to address to current or potential conflicts with the local laws.
Hong
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:44 PM To: At-Large Worldwide; Jean-Jacques Subrenat Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [At-Large] European Union Court of Justice ruling on data retention.
Dear Jean-Jacques and all, (let me Cc the EURALO list to this)
thanks a lot for pointing to this yesterday's European Court decision
with
various and important foreseeable impacts - "regarding the protection of Internet user rights and privacy", as you mentioned.
As EDRI affirmed yesterday: "After eight years, this affront (data retention) to the fundamental rights of European citizens has finally been declared illegal. Eight years of abuses of personal data and eight years of reassurances from EU Member States and the Commission that the measure was legal ..." Various among our German ALSes (DigitalCourage, Network New Media, Vereinigung Datenschutz etc.) pointed to this abuse and violation of privacy rights since years while the public was mislead until this superior court ruling. As an example, Germany didn't transpose this EU Directive 2002/58/EC into its national legislation so far and was sued by the European Commission for "non-compliance with EU rules". Now the EU Commission and most member states have to do their home work for respecting this European Court decision (life can be cruel ;-)
Besides Europe, this court decision impacts IMO also ICANN incl. recent discussions in Singapore (and before) whether or to what an extent European registrars have to comply with and exert ICANN rules clearly violating European privacy standards - particularly after yesterday's court decision?
To me, yesterday was a great day for reaffirming *privacy as a fundamental right* in the EU! Any further comments on this are welcome!
Kind regards, Wolf
Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote Wed, 9 Apr 2014 10:32:4
On 9 april, the European Union Court of Justice (EUCJ) ruled that
"Directive 2006/24/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 15 March 2006 on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC is invalid".
This ruling follows requests by associations representing civil society in Ireland (Digital Rights Ireland, Ltd.) and Austria (Verfassungsgerichtshof). It - requires the European Union to provide enhanced protection for Internet and telecommunications users; - while recognizing the legitimate concerns posed by criminal and terrorist activities, imposes improved protection of personal data and privacy.
For those not familiar with the legal system of the European Union, when the new Directive will have been adopted as a result of this ruling, it will be transposed into the national legislation of each Member State.
To my knowledge, this ruling represents one of the most (if not the most) advanced legislation in the world regarding the protection of Internet user rights and privacy.
The full ruling can be read - in English, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre= - in French, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre= - in German, http://curia.europa.eu/juris/celex.jsf?celex=62012CJ0293&lang1=fr&type= TXT&ancre=
Jean-Jacques.
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