Dear EURALO mailing list members, Hope that some of you know me personally, I am Siranush from Armenia, an alumni for the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007 and 31st ICANN Fellow in New Delhi. I am happy to become the part of this group and also will try to contribute from my side as much as possible to the effective discussions taking place here. Congratulations everyone with the Spring, more sun and smile to all of you Siranush Armenia _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Dear Siranush, I am pleased to welcome you on the EURALO-list. And I would like to welcome some more fellows from the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007. We are looking forward to your comments and contributions on this list. Kindest regards, Wolf Siranush Vardanyan wrote Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:21:
Dear EURALO mailing list members,
Hope that some of you know me personally, I am Siranush from Armenia, an alumni for the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007 and 31st ICANN Fellow in New Delhi. I am happy to become the part of this group and also will try to contribute from my side as much as possible to the effective discussions taking place here.
Congratulations everyone with the Spring, more sun and smile to all of you
Siranush
Armenia _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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May I join Wolf in welcoming Siranush. It is really a joy to have people joining from Armenia. This reminds me, though, that the issue of the redefinition of the geographic regions is still up in the air. According to the ICANN definition, Armenia is in Asia-Pacific. However, both the European ccTLD organization (CENTR) and the European RIR (RIPE NCC) include Armenia within the geographical area they serve. There is no reason why ALAC should not do the same, but it would be wise to come to an agreement inside ALAC on how to deal with these geographical issues. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Monday, 03 March 2008 17:59 To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Siranush Vardanyan Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Introduction
Dear Siranush,
I am pleased to welcome you on the EURALO-list. And I would like to welcome some more fellows from the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007. We are looking forward to your comments and contributions on this list.
Kindest regards, Wolf
Siranush Vardanyan wrote Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:21:
Dear EURALO mailing list members,
Hope that some of you know me personally, I am Siranush from Armenia, an alumni for the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007 and 31st ICANN Fellow in New Delhi. I am happy to become the part of this group and also will try to contribute from my side as much as possible to the effective discussions taking place here.
Congratulations everyone with the Spring, more sun and smile to all of you
Siranush
Armenia _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Dear Roberto and Wolf, Thanks for welcoming me in this mailing list. I hope that sometimes the discussion points coming from another developing country might also be helpful. You are right that Armenia (being in the process of applying for EU membership) in many aspects considered within European countries, but clarifications in this aspect might be helpful and I welcome, Roberto, your suggestion to come to an agreement within ALAC on this geographical issue. According to different sources Armenia is considered differently, for example according to The 2007 Time Almanac defines Armenia as one of 24 countries within Eastern Europe. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe). Usually we say that Armenia is a Eurasia - both in Europe and Asia:) Thanks again Siranush
From: roberto@icann.org> To: euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; siranush_vardanyan@hotmail.com> Subject: > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:28:10 +0100> > May I join Wolf in welcoming Siranush. It is really a joy to have people joining from Armenia.> This reminds me, though, that the issue of the redefinition of the geographic regions is still up in the air. According to the ICANN definition, Armenia is in Asia-Pacific. However, both the European ccTLD organization (CENTR) and the European RIR (RIPE NCC) include Armenia within the geographical area they serve. There is no reason why ALAC should not do the same, but it would be wise to come to an agreement inside ALAC on how to deal with these geographical issues.> Cheers,> Roberto> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On> > Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig> > Sent: Monday, 03 March 2008 17:59> > To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Siranush Vardanyan> > Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Introduction> >> > Dear Siranush,> >> > I am pleased to welcome you on the EURALO-list. And I would> > like to welcome some more fellows from the First Summer> > School on IG in Germany in 2007. We are looking forward to> > your comments and contributions on this list.> >> > Kindest regards,> > Wolf> >> >> > Siranush Vardanyan wrote Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:21:> > >Dear EURALO mailing list members,> > >> > >Hope that some of you know me personally, I am Siranush from> > Armenia, an alumni for the First Summer School on IG in> > Germany in 2007 and 31st ICANN Fellow in New Delhi. I am> > happy to become the part of this group and also will try to> > contribute from my side as much as possible to the effective> > discussions taking place here.> > >> > >Congratulations everyone with the Spring, more sun and smile> > to all of> > >you> > >> > >Siranush> > >> > >Armenia> > >_________________________________________________________________> > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download> > today it's FREE!> > >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> >> > comunica-ch> > phone +41 79 204 83 87> > www.comunica-ch.net> >> > http://blog.allmend.ch -> > Digitale Allmend> >> > _______________________________________________> > EURO-Discuss mailing list> > EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss_a> tlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > Homepage for the region: http://www.euralo.org
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Let's first separate the issues. One is participation, which is obviously open, and IMHO all folks who want to participate in full respect of the rules of behaviour (I am mentioning this only for those who are not on the ALAC public list, that is experiencing right now some disruptive behaviour) can join. The other one is eligibility and voting rights. In this respect, ICANN has geographic regions, and ALAC is using these geographic regions in its internal rules. If I can make an example, ALAC appoints 5 NomCom members, one per region. Should Siranush volounteer for such position, it would be important to establish whether this would be done using the Euroean or the Asia-Pacific seat. Similar situation would apply for participants from mediterranean countries geographically (and according to ICANN rules) belonging to Africa. Personally, I would like to see this issue solved before we do have a practical case in our hands, so that we can decide based on principles, and not with the potential bias of a specific case. Moreover, since this issue is of relevance for other components of the ICANN world, like for instance the ccTLDs, I would encourage coordination with them on a common solution. Cheers, Roberto _____ From: Siranush Vardanyan [mailto:siranush_vardanyan@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 06 March 2008 07:23 To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: RE: thanks Dear Roberto and Wolf, Thanks for welcoming me in this mailing list. I hope that sometimes the discussion points coming from another developing country might also be helpful. You are right that Armenia (being in the process of applying for EU membership) in many aspects considered within European countries, but clarifications in this aspect might be helpful and I welcome, Roberto, your suggestion to come to an agreement within ALAC on this geographical issue. According to different sources Armenia is considered differently, for example according to The 2007 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_%28magazine%29> Time Almanac defines Armenia as one of 24 countries within Eastern Europe. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe). Usually we say that Armenia is a Eurasia - both in Europe and Asia:) Thanks again Siranush
From: roberto@icann.org To: euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; siranush_vardanyan@hotmail.com Subject: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:28:10 +0100
May I join Wolf in welcoming Siranush. It is really a joy to have people joining from Armenia. This reminds me, though, that the issue of the redefinition of the geographic regions is still up in the air. According to the ICANN definition, Armenia is in Asia-Pacific. However, both the European ccTLD organization (CENTR) and the European RIR (RIPE NCC) include Armenia within the geographical area they serve. There is no reason why ALAC should not do the same, but it would be wise to come to an agreement inside ALAC on how to deal with these geographical issues. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Monday, 03 March 2008 17:59 To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Siranush Vardanyan Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Introduction
Dear Siranush,
I am pleased to welcome you on the EURALO-list. And I would like to welcome some more fellows from the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007. We are looking forward to your comments and contributions on this list.
Kindest regards, Wolf
Siranush Vardanyan wrote Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:21:
Dear EURALO mailing list members,
Hope that some of you know me personally, I am Siranush from Armenia, an alumni for the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007 and 31st ICANN Fellow in New Delhi. I am happy to become the part of this group and also will try to contribute from my side as much as possible to the effective discussions taking place here.
Congratulations everyone with the Spring, more sun and smile to all of you
Siranush
Armenia _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net
http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
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Dear All: In connection with this issue, I can inform you that I just yesterday asked the General Counsel's office for their view on what, if any, flexibility the Bylaws allow in cases like this. I will forward their view once I receive it. On 07/03/2008 14:53, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@icann.org> wrote: Let's first separate the issues. One is participation, which is obviously open, and IMHO all folks who want to participate in full respect of the rules of behaviour (I am mentioning this only for those who are not on the ALAC public list, that is experiencing right now some disruptive behaviour) can join. The other one is eligibility and voting rights. In this respect, ICANN has geographic regions, and ALAC is using these geographic regions in its internal rules. If I can make an example, ALAC appoints 5 NomCom members, one per region. Should Siranush volounteer for such position, it would be important to establish whether this would be done using the Euroean or the Asia-Pacific seat. Similar situation would apply for participants from mediterranean countries geographically (and according to ICANN rules) belonging to Africa. Personally, I would like to see this issue solved before we do have a practical case in our hands, so that we can decide based on principles, and not with the potential bias of a specific case. Moreover, since this issue is of relevance for other components of the ICANN world, like for instance the ccTLDs, I would encourage coordination with them on a common solution. Cheers, Roberto ________________________________ From: Siranush Vardanyan [mailto:siranush_vardanyan@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 06 March 2008 07:23 To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Discussion for At-Large Europe' Subject: RE: thanks Dear Roberto and Wolf, Thanks for welcoming me in this mailing list. I hope that sometimes the discussion points coming from another developing country might also be helpful. You are right that Armenia (being in the process of applying for EU membership) in many aspects considered within European countries, but clarifications in this aspect might be helpful and I welcome, Roberto, your suggestion to come to an agreement within ALAC on this geographical issue. According to different sources Armenia is considered differently, for example according to The 2007 Time <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_%28magazine%29><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_%28magazine%29> Almanac defines Armenia as one of 24 countries within Eastern Europe. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe). Usually we say that Armenia is a Eurasia - both in Europe and Asia:) Thanks again Siranush
From: roberto@icann.org To: euro-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org; siranush_vardanyan@hotmail.com Subject: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:28:10 +0100
May I join Wolf in welcoming Siranush. It is really a joy to have people joining from Armenia. This reminds me, though, that the issue of the redefinition of the geographic regions is still up in the air. According to the ICANN definition, Armenia is in Asia-Pacific. However, both the European ccTLD organization (CENTR) and the European RIR (RIPE NCC) include Armenia within the geographical area they serve. There is no reason why ALAC should not do the same, but it would be wise to come to an agreement inside ALAC on how to deal with these geographical issues. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Monday, 03 March 2008 17:59 To: Discussion for At-Large Europe; Siranush Vardanyan Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] Introduction
Dear Siranush,
I am pleased to welcome you on the EURALO-list. And I would like to welcome some more fellows from the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007. We are looking forward to your comments and contributions on this list.
Kindest regards, Wolf
Siranush Vardanyan wrote Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:21:
Dear EURALO mailing list members,
Hope that some of you know me personally, I am Siranush from Armenia, an alumni for the First Summer School on IG in Germany in 2007 and 31st ICANN Fellow in New Delhi. I am happy to become the part of this group and also will try to contribute from my side as much as possible to the effective discussions taking place here.
Congratulations everyone with the Spring, more sun and smile to all of you
Siranush
Armenia _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
comunica-ch phone +41 79 204 83 87 www.comunica-ch.net
http://blog.allmend.ch - Digitale Allmend
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Wolf Ludwig